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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
goodness god its 2014 why is skin color still such an issue
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I mean like our president is like, BLACK!
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Member Since: 4/22/2011
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
I think mainstream media picked up Fancy because it was exactly what she needed at that very specific time in her career, I do not think that song would have happened without Work, Bounce, Change Your Life, and all those other underground tracks that kept her in the lexicon of heavy influencers in the music industry and with music fans at large. That more or less is what I mean when I say that she overcame a lot to see her success. It took at lot for her to be taken seriously.
Although that's not to say I don't agree with your points because they certainly are true. And I think the lack of urban support is why it will be hard for Iggy to sustain this. I don't think any of this means that Iggy should be shut out of this art form the way some people protest she (and other white rappers) should be. She fell in love with an art form and went to America to dedicate her life to it.
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Hmm. No one is saying she shouldn't rap, or be inspired by the rappers she loves. But I do think she can do that while being true to herself. Dawning what you feel is a southern "black" accent isn't real, rapping about your life and things that are relevant to you is.
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Originally posted by HERMES
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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All I've read so far was "First thing's first: Iggy isn't the realest" and I'm scared to read the rest because I know the amount of #DRAG that's probably displayed in this OP.
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
They're probably not members of the community themselves, so they don't recognise or understand that it could be found offensive by some.
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And some of the people offended by her accent are not a part of that community either (i.e Avril Hello Kitty sit). And a lot of people in that community actually like Iggy and have no issue with her accent. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who gets to dictate what Iggy does with her career and if she should have success? She put in her time I say.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by chilluminati
I know, right? Any time they cannot relate, instead of at least attempting to understand it's brushed off as something minor.
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You considered some of us actually don't care out of choice.
I know it offends and upsets some people because they feel it's cultural appropriation without context and that she's parodying it. Even if she was, I personally do not care.
I don't let other people's "feelings" get in the way of my music enjoyment.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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People who have problems with Iggy or Macklemore, need to get a hobby.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
And some of the people offended by her accent are not a part of that community either (i.e Avril Hello Kitty sit). And a lot of people in that community actually like Iggy and have no issue with her accent. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who gets to dictate what Iggy does with her career and if she should have success? She put in her time I say.
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There is no right or wrong. Just an exchange of opinions. And in that exchange of opinions, there needs to be recognition that some people are offended by it, regardless of what their own skin colour is.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by chilluminati
nnnn don't speak for all of us! She's quite the joke amongst the community on social media. To say that we collectively 'use' her is a stretch and a half.
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But sis you missed my whole point, was Iggy a joke when she releasing mixtapes, or when work was only charting under bubbling under? or was she a joke when she got a #1 from a pop song and was anointed the new queen of rap from the white media? I was lowkey stanning for her back when fancy first was rising on the charts and nobody really cared, it was when the forbes article hit when the backlash started tbh 
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by konaa
Because some people don't have any culture beyond theft and genocide?
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Lawd. This is messy.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
They're probably not members of the community themselves, so they don't recognise or understand that it could be found offensive by some.
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I think if they feel they cannot understand at all, then it's best for them to not even join the discussion. All you end up seeing is a lot of blatantly ignorant and dismissive comments about things that mean a lot to other people.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
I think mainstream media picked up Fancy because it was exactly what she needed at that very specific time in her career, I do not think that song would have happened without Work, Bounce, Change Your Life, and all those other underground tracks that kept her in the lexicon of heavy influencers in the music industry and with music fans at large. That more or less is what I mean when I say that she overcame a lot to see her success. It took at lot for her to be taken seriously.
Although that's not to say I don't agree with your points because they certainly are true. And I think the lack of urban support is why it will be hard for Iggy to sustain this. I don't think any of this means that Iggy should be shut out of this art form the way some people protest she (and other white rappers) should be. She fell in love with an art form and went to America to dedicate her life to it.
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Every artist has to struggle before they make it, Iggy is no different. But it's unfair to say that Iggy overcame her race to reach success when her mainstream success was in part facilitated by her race.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Doc
The author has put thoughtful and intellectual arguments into his article.
Please don't come in here with "Ur just mad @ da Kween bai!1". This isn't a stan war, it's an interesting question about race in the hip hop and mainstream music community. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, this thread isn't really for you.
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as if you didn't see it coming 
pls don't warn me
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by ethan
No, she deserves success because she's worked hard to become a good rapper. She just happens to be white, and that's a turn off to a lot of people. She's had to overcome that to be taken seriously.
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But she's not and that's the problem. Not sure she's "worked hard" either. Seems like things just went well for her because she stood out. Here's an attractive young woman, with a nice body, tall, pretty face, long blond hair, who knows how to wear a short skirt and look good in videos. That's not gonna turn off the GP, that's gold. Marketability. All the needed was a catchy chorus to sell.
Sure, hip hop does not use her at all and the she'll have a hard time selling her music to real hip hop listeners, but that's not who she's geared towards anyway.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Willy.
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I mean like our president is like, BLACK!
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Member Since: 5/16/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
Every artist has to struggle before they make it, Iggy is no different. But it's unfair to say that Iggy overcame her race to reach success when her mainstream success was in part facilitated by her race.
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Iggy overcoming her race would have been a good argument had Fancy/she found success solely on urban radio at first then crossed over to pop.
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Member Since: 4/22/2011
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Just read the article. Some of it is flame bait, but most of it is spot on.
Let me start off by saying that most people aren't angry with Iggy herself, this is a lot bigger than Iggy, Macklemore, Em, JT, or any other white artist that sees massive success doing "black" music. She's more of a victim of circumstance, but this conversation is long overdue.
What most people on this site refuse to see is that being white is just naturally more palatable and accepted. There's no other reason why a song like "Fancy" would hit no.1 with relative ease, while songs like "Superbass" never see the summit. It's just more acceptable.
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
There is no right or wrong. Just an exchange of opinions. And in that exchange of opinions, there needs to be recognition that some people are offended by it, regardless of what their own skin colour is.
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Sure. Some people are offended by it, and they hey have validity. I'll never argue that white people stealing black artistry wasn't/isn't a thing, but I will argue that Iggy deserves her slice of the pie.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by VyktorJonas
as if you didn't see it coming
pls don't warn me |
I was hoping there would be intelligent discussion on the topic, and while there is still typical ATRL foolishness, particularly on the first page, I'm glad that some members of ATRL have decided to offer their own thoughtful opinions in here.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Unfortunately race factors in. If Iggy was black, Fancy wouldn't have smashed because mainstream radio wouldn't have cared. It works because the "story" is "Australian white girl does American hip-hop better than black Americans from the hood". In my opinion of course but hard to disagree.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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She's ignorant as hell and it shows in her interviews and her songs.
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