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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
goodness god its 2014 why is skin color still such an issue
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Also people need to stop claiming things in the name of their race.
Music has no color so people need to exit the stage on the right with ******** like hip-hop belongs to black people and white people stole it.
 How sad tho
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Originally posted by Doc
The author has put thoughtful and intellectual arguments into his article.
Please don't come in here with "Ur just mad @ da Kween bai!1". This isn't a stan war, it's an interesting question about race in the hip hop and mainstream music community. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, this thread isn't really for you.
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The fact is, users here will blindly follow and ignore all logically valid arguments put forth because they are obsessed with an image, no matter how contrived or false it may be.
Points 1 and 2 were so remarkably sound, especially the Macklemore bit which speaks partially in his favor, but they don't see it though.
Either way, this is the definition of cultural appropriation.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
also, i remember a few months before fancy started blowing up, there were so many comments here (i probably made a couple of them myself) saying how she would never be huge, how nobody would take her seriously, how she would never get off the ground and would always be bubbling under, etc. so now that shes made it somewhat big, why is everyone acting like it was a sure thing from the jump?
maybe im a little more sensitized to this because im an eminem stan and ive seen so many people talk like he didnt have to put in any work to make it and that all the success just fell into his lap, no talent required. But even though im not huge on iggy's music, some people obviously are, and i remember the time before she made it big where she put out mixtapes and shot videos and did features and shows and i know for a fact that she had to work for her current success. So even though of course her skin color and looks and nationality are all attention grabbers, i still dont like seeing her hard work belittled so completely like this |
i cant at people crying "shes only popular cause shes blonde and white" like there has ever been a popular white female rapper before
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
I don't agree with that statement, lol. I'm just tired of people bringing up Nicki in threads about Iggy cause it always ends in a stan war.  |
fair enough i can see how annoying that would be
just like how annoying it is to have people invalidate iggy cause shes white
like im not even a iggy stan but the bankers need to leave her alone 
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
goodness god its 2014 why is skin color still such an issue
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America her impact my guess 
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"The success and vitality of black-created genres doesn’t depend on white people performing the music, especially when it’s been pillaged and stolen for decades. As noted in in considerable detail over at Racialicious, various white icons and their hits—including Elvis Presley’s “Hound Dog”, Madonna’s “Vogue” and, yes, “We Can’t Stop” by Miley Cyrus, to name a few—all are culprits.."
woooo!!!!
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
Way to purposefully misrepresent everything I just said, especially since I laid out the whole "no one would take her seriously as a white female rapper but she worked really hard to prove them wrong" thing really clearly. |
I really don't think she proved people wrong with her hard work. She's still lacking in rap skill. Getting a #1 doesn't diminish any of the problems people had with her before her success. Her success is simply her making it to white America's conscious through a cute Clueless video and a girl singing her hook about being Fancy. These things are images and tools white people identify with and feel comfortable supporting and involving themselves in.
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However, there’s a difference between appreciating an artform and adding to its richness and appropriating a minstrel-like caricature that’s composed of various tropes.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
Also people need to stop claiming things in the name of their race.
Music has no color so people need to exit the stage on the right with ******** like hip-hop belongs to black people and white people stole it.
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I agree.
You could say white people have an advantage, but that's not their fault. Lol.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Let Iggy be iggy.
I like Nicki better but the Iggy is racist comments are getting annoying. She's not racist.
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
goodness god its 2014 why is skin color still such an issue
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This isn't even a skin color issue. If it were, we'd be complaining about Eminem and Tina Marie.
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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Originally posted by HERMES
I really don't think she proved people wrong with her hard work. She's still lacking in rap skill. Getting a #1 doesn't diminish any of the problems people had with her before her success. Her success is simply her making it to white America's conscious through a cute Clueless video and a girl singing her hook about being Fancy. These things are images and tools white people identify with and feel comfortable supporting and involving themselves in.
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I think finding success like that as a new artist is way more intricate than you give credit for. She made underground mixtapes for years, took every and any promo avenue she could get for years (even really small ones), and spent time networking, working on her craft, and trying to get labels to see her perspective when they didn't want to. All of these things are stepping stones, and all of these things contributed to that #1 even if you think they didn't.
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As noted in in considerable detail over at Racialicious, various white icons and their hits—including Elvis Presley’s “Hound Dog”, Madonna’s “Vogue” and, yes, “We Can’t Stop” by Miley Cyrus, to name a few—all are culprits.
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While I don't think Iggy will have a similar effect as them, this statement is so powerful. Take someone like me who didn't even know voguing was something related to the gay community + ball culture for the longest time and then finding out recently that it is more than just a Madonna song... It is something that she pretty much stole and mainstreamed and like imagine... There are going to be people just like me w/ Madonna and vogue who think Miley and twerking are one in the same. That is so scary. Both are simply dance moves, but it just is scary to be a part of a scene or culture and have something you all know and love be ripped from your hands... And not to get any credit for it and, yeah, when it is a white person... It hurts a bit more because of history lol.
Meh, that might not make sense. I'm multitasking right now.
Still, as I said, I don't think Iggy will fall in the same boat as Elvis x Rock Music, Madonna x Voguing, and Miley x Twerking. Hell, she even stopped twerking when Miley started doing it (funny enough, Miley wasn't even twerking but ifjksdfasd).
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
I feel bad for her, the odds really were stacked up against her as a white woman trying to do her thing in the world of rap. I know that statement seems very odd considering it's usually the other way around with white privilege, but this is a unique circumstance. I didn't think ANYONE would take her seriously, I thought she would be a "buzzed about artist" forever, but she really put in her work and struggled until her pay off. She deserves her success.
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This is interesting.
People like Iggy Azalea do have it much harder when trying to get into the hip hop community. But is Iggy's recent success really due to her "overcoming" this?
Iggy had been trying and failing to reach significant popularity in the urban community. It wasn't until Fancy that she became really successful. But who made Fancy hot? Mainstream made Fancy hot—White people made Fancy hot. Once Fancy became a huge mainstream hit, Urban slowly started picking it up.
Rapping is the hot, cool thing for mainstream, and Iggy is a hot, sexy, blond, white girl giving it with a radio friendly beat and a pop hook. Of course mainstream would eat that up. Iggy's entire shtick is what made Fancy a mainstream hit, it didn't hold her back and she didn't have to overcome anything to make it a mainstream hit. Iggy being white helped made Fancy a hit. We all honestly know that had some black girl done Fancy, mainstream would not have picked it up with such quickness.
The same idea goes for Macklemore. If Macklemore tried to become huge on Urban, he would have found it very difficult. His race would have held him back. But instead, he took his act to mainstream, and being a white guy rapping HELPED make songs like Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us a hit. Just like Iggy, it wasn't until mainstream put him on that urban started noticing him.
So yeah, while I think Iggy being white made it hard for her to make it big in Urban, she certainly didn't have to "overcome" it in order to reach her current success. Most of the famous white rappers—Iggy, Macklemore, Vanilla Ice, etc—were put on mainstream, by white people.
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
goodness god its 2014 why is skin color still such an issue
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If I had a dollar for the amount of people that say this. It's like when people say they're "colour blind".
Anyways. Do you think people have a problem with Iggy only because of her skin colour or do you think their problem is her approach to other cultures, specifically black culture while being the skin colour that she is?
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Originally posted by Aatthew
While I don't think Iggy will have a similar effect as them, this statement is so powerful. Take someone like me who didn't even know voguing was something related to the gay community + ball culture for the longest time and then finding out recently that it is more than just a Madonna song... It is something that she pretty much stole and mainstreamed and like imagine... There are going to be people just like me who think Miley and twerking are one in the same. That is so scary. Both are simply dance moves, but it just is scary to be a part of a scene or culture and have something you all know and love be ripped from your hands... And not to get any credit for it.
Meh, that might not make sense. I'm multitasking right now.
Still, as I said, I don't think Iggy will fall in the same boat as Elvis x Rock Music, Madonna x Voguing, and Miley x Twerking. Hell, she even stopped twerking when Miley started doing it (funny enough, Miley wasn't even twerking but ifjksdfasd).
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My family has been twerking since the 90's! Listening to trap since the 90's! I grew up like this!
Please don't whitewash it and make money off of it because YOU CAN, when we have thousands of people that are passionately doing it because it's all they know. Meanwhile they are dirt poor and creating everyday for you to steal without a second thought.
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Member Since: 8/9/2012
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The damning thing is her accent. It's almost like she's trying her hardest to replicate black rappers while using the fact that she's white to Hera dvantage. She just a "marketable" image on the same thing that's been done 273737373 times and that's why she's successful.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
Bye at her being white apparently working against her to y'all. The industry loves black music with white faces like Adele, Sam Smith, Eminem, Macklemore and Iggy.
Her voice live is so sharp, overdone and fake. "HEWWW DAT HEWW DATTTT DAH DO DAAAH DO DAATTTTTTT"
Like girl sit down. People saying she had no Australian rappers to look up to why doesn't she just.. I'd don't know.. Be original?
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Who would of taken her seriously though? You have to adapt...especially if you're a female white rapper. It's business whether you like it or not.
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As long as white artists aren't being held as saviors of the genre than I'm fine with it.
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Iggy debuted almost 2 years ago, why are people only reaching about it now??
the bandwagon is real and quite annoying to say the least
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
i cant at people crying "shes only popular cause shes blonde and white" like there has ever been a popular white female rapper before
fair enough i can see how annoying that would be
just like how annoying it is to have people invalidate iggy cause shes white
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 Did you read? Who is invalidating her solely because she's white or blonde? Eminem had plenty of black people supporting him when he debuted.
Why do y'all choose to ignore the fact that she is possibly appropriating? I mean, in my case it's most definitely appropriating, no 'possibly' about it.
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