[Rihinvention]

Originally posted by tHE.PARtY.

The DWUW video is not about R. Kelly's history as a sex offender. The video is about Lady Gaga. R. Kelly is in the video because he is featured on the song. He is featured on the song because Gaga likes his music. Yes, the video is obviously sexual. Gaga has done several videos that are obviously sexual. So just because the video is sexual and includes R. Kelly makes it about rape?

Just because the video's subject matter isn't about his history as a sex offender doesn't eradicate the fact that he has a history of being a sex offender. It's all about context. People refuse to listen to Chris Brown's music because of his past. It's the same thing with R. Kelly.

The thing that confuses me most, is so many monsters advocate to be feminists and believe in feminism. One of the biggest crusades feminists fight against is rape culture. I get annoyed when some extreme feminists say that when a guy sees a girl with good boobs and slyly checks them out, that's "rape culture." It's not. It's just a guy checking out another girl. But this is rape culture. And it's not the sort of thing that should be exploited or turned into art. Not because it glamorises rape. I don't think any straight guys will watch her video and think "oh damn, that's so hot, I'm going to drug a girl and rape her." That would never have happened. But it's incredibly insensitive to actual rape victims. Girls who've been pinned down in a park. Girls who've got too drunk at college parties and had guys take advantage of them while they're unconscious. Girls who've screamed "no, no, no, please get off me, please, please" while the guy just kept going.

It amazes me how many monsters will speak out in favour of feminism and how bad "rape culture" is, but the second Gaga makes a video like this (with a statutory rapist, I might add) you jump to defend her. It's not cool, ok? You need to stop because rape is seriously so tragic and just because the video doesn't glamourise rape doesn't mean it wouldn't bring up traumatic memories in rape victims who were date-raped, and watched the video.

[Shapes]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

Why are you guys having such a hard time with this concept?

Because NBC hasn't aired an episode of Law and Order about it yet

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by tittieslap

No it isn't cause they're not having sex with her. If you think twerking is sexual assault, then go ahead. But that's something not everyone would agree on as being sexual assault. This is no worse than a bunch of kids doing a prank and writing on someone's face when they're asleep or passed out drunk.

Straddling someone's body and twerking on them while a bunch of your friends fondle their body is definitely sexually assault.

[Rami328]

I can see where others are coming from and why they may be offended by it (well, those who aren't obviously criticizing it because they stan for other certain pop girls).

But I think it's important to keep the message of the song in mind. It's about how the media drags and criticizes Gaga. I honestly thought of this and not really sexual abuse when I first saw the video. I think many are forgetting what the song is about.

But like I said, I can totally understand why others would legitimately be offended.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

The video is about rape/sexual assault because the theme of the video is Gaga being drugged and sexually assaulted in a doctor's office

Why are you guys having such a hard time with this concept?

This isn't up for debate. You can agree or disagree with her intent/message, but you can't just flat-out pretend that the theme isn't there

!!!!

And the "well the law says there are no sexual predators here" defense.

Y'all betta stan.

[Alchemist]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

The video is about rape/sexual assault because the theme of the video is Gaga being drugged and sexually assaulted in a doctor's office

Why are you guys having such a hard time with this concept?

This isn't up for debate. You can agree or disagree with her intent/message, but you can't just flat-out pretend that the theme isn't there

Where do you see sexual assault

[OurLuckyStrike]

58 pages

[KESTER]

It's so funny to me when Little Monsters accuse people of "reaching" over certain things.
There's OBVIOUSLY a reason she didn't want the video to come out!

[Qwerty1234]

Originally posted by Rami328

I can see where others are coming from and why they may be offended by it (well, those who aren't obviously criticizing it because they stan for other certain pop girls).

But I think it's important to keep the message of the song in mind. It's about how the media drags and criticizes Gaga. I honestly thought of this and not really sexual abuse when I first saw the video. I think many are forgetting what the song is about.

But like I said, I can totally understand why others would legitimately be offended.

What a mature response.

[tittieslap]

Originally posted by Shapes

If you think sexual assault means that you have to have sex...

Grabbing a woman's breast on the subway is sexual assault. I don't see any P in V going on in that situation.

He grabbed her before she passed out but she didn't say no or react negatively to it. Therefore, she had consent over that action. You might feel sensitive about it, but...

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Alchemist

Where do you see sexual assault

Literally every single shot of Gaga and Kells together

[Kayhan]

If i would be a helpless old man on a wheelchair, having forced to see an old ladys breasts on my birthday, could make me feel like i am being raped, actually.

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Anyway, i am glad she choosed not to release the video. Looks cheap.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Rami328

I can see where others are coming from and why they may be offended by it (well, those who aren't obviously criticizing it because they stan for other certain pop girls).

But I think it's important to keep the message of the song in mind. It's about how the media drags and criticizes Gaga. I honestly thought of this and not really sexual abuse when I first saw the video. I think many are forgetting what the song is about.

But like I said, I can totally understand why others would legitimately be offended.

The video has completely distorted the meaning of the song though, and that's a shame because the song is great.

She clearly wanted controversy but Interscope said "woah dere not THAT kind of controversy."

[Shapes]

Originally posted by tittieslap

He grabbed her before she passed out but she didn't say no or react negatively to it. Therefore, she consented that action. You feel sensitive about it, but...

Wow someone consented to one thing once therefore they can consent to everything even when passed out!

That means if you kiss your bf while they're awake you can **** them while they're sleeping! They consented, remember?

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by tittieslap

He grabbed her before she passed out but she didn't say no or react negatively to it. Therefore, she had consent over that action. You feel sensitive about it, but...

That's not how consent works

"They didn't say no" does not mean they said yes

[ethan]

Originally posted by tittieslap

No it isn't cause they're not having sex with her. If you think twerking is sexual assault, then go ahead. But that's something not everyone would agree on as being sexual assault. This is no worse than a bunch of kids doing a prank and writing on someone's face when they're asleep or passed out drunk.

Right! And R. Kelly peeing on the child wasn't sexual assault because he wasn't having sex with her!

America

[Auraeolux]

Originally posted by Alchemist

Where do you see sexual assault

Are you serious? I hope you haven't done this type of stuff to other people.......

[tHE.PARtY.]

Originally posted by Rihinvention

Just because the video's subject matter isn't about his history as a sex offender doesn't eradicate the fact that he has a history of being a sex offender. It's all about context. People refuse to listen to Chris Brown's music because of his past. It's the same thing with R. Kelly.

The thing that confuses me most, is so many monsters advocate to be feminists and believe in feminism. One of the biggest crusades feminists fight against is rape culture. I get annoyed when some extreme feminists say that when a guy sees a girl with good boobs and slyly checks them out, that's "rape culture." It's not. It's just a guy checking out another girl. But this is rape culture. And it's not the sort of thing that should be exploited or turned into art. Not because it glamorises rape. I don't think any straight guys will watch her video and think "oh damn, that's so hot, I'm going to drug a girl and rape her." That would never have happened. But it's incredibly insensitive to actual rape victims. Girls who've been pinned down in a park. Girls who've got too drunk at college parties and had guys take advantage of them while they're unconscious. Girls who've screamed "no, no, no, please get off me, please, please" while the guy just kept going.

It amazes me how many monsters will speak out in favour of feminism and how bad "rape culture" is, but the second Gaga makes a video like this (with a statutory rapist, I might add) you jump to defend her. It's not cool, ok? You need to stop because rape is seriously so tragic and just because the video doesn't glamourise rape doesn't mean it wouldn't bring up traumatic memories in rape victims who were date-raped, and watched the video.

I'm not a feminist, lol.

[RickyH.]

I'm not gonna be one of the people who read too much into it and I'll just say that it looks exciting and enjoyable

[GaGaFan]

The backlash would have been real.