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Tech: Apple WWDC Keynote 2014 (Event starts at 10AM PDT)
Member Since: 4/25/2011
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
This is ignorant. "Apple can't keep up," when there is actually nothing to stop them from doing so. Apple have always been selective to what they add and when.
If the consumer has a problem they can leave. But most of these features Apple have added to iOS 8 seem better executed than the ones on Android.
For example, Swift Key predicts what word you're going to write based on the sentence you're writing.
Predictive text on Android only helps you finish the word you're typing (unless KitKat added that feature, it wasn't available on my Note 2).
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Apple really could not keep up with the competition. They aren't competitive anymore. Aside from the number of apps they have, the phone's main functionality lacks so bad. They rely on the apps while their competitors ignites more features in-phone along with their respective app stores. Apple does nothing there.
Not sure about Android but Windows Phone's keyboard does it flawlessly.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
This is ignorant. "Apple can't keep up," when there is actually nothing to stop them from doing so. Apple have always been selective to what they add and when.
If the consumer has a problem they can leave. But most of these features Apple have added to iOS 8 seem better executed than the ones on Android.
For example, Swift Key predicts what word you're going to write based on the sentence you're writing.
Predictive text on Android only helps you finish the word you're typing (unless KitKat added that feature, it wasn't available on my Note 2).
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Android has had "Swype" for a while. Also Kit Kat also has Predictive text. I use a Nexus Tablet with Android(so I always have the latest version), but I use the iPhone 5s as my primary phone.
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I'm still excited with the iPhone 6 though. One thing I adore with iPhones is that they're one hell of a music player. I MIGHT consider going back to the iPhone for that sole reason if Windows Phone keeps on making its music player ****-ier than the previous versions
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Originally posted by jomarr
Flat design continues. You can see the impact. Everyone KNOWS Microsoft started this ****.
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Don't start that when Windows 8 looks just like Apple's old classic flat themes back in the 90's old Apple apps. It would use flat designs and icons
Microsoft may have brought the idea back, but that doesn't mean Apple can't bring back old features if it wishes.
They have just brought them back, terribly. The dock isn't flat at all it just has terrible icons.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by jomarr
I'm still excited with the iPhone 6 though. One thing I adore with iPhones is that they're one hell of a music player. I MIGHT consider going back to the iPhone for that sole reason if Windows Phone keeps on making its music player ****-ier than the previous versions
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Don't do that. iPhone's aren't worth it for the music player alone.
Just get an iPod Touch 6 and use both 
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Originally posted by jomarr
Apple really could not keep up with the competition. They aren't competitive anymore. Aside from the number of apps they have, the phone's main functionality lacks so bad. They rely on the apps while their competitors ignites more features in-phone along with their respective app stores. Apple does nothing there.
Not sure about Android but Windows Phone's keyboard does it flawlessly.
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They can and they are. The iPhone continues to outsell itself every year and each phone since the 4s has been the best selling smartphone of all time.
In some ways, Apple have had more success by not adding every feature that they can think of. Apple's success is based on simplicity. The iPhone 5 sold 89 million units in one year, and the iPhone 5s already sold 50 million after less than 6 months.
If Apple are bringing out a 4.7 and a 5.5 or whatever inch phone, watch Apple sell 150M iPhone next cycle.
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Welp, gloamingthepain with the preaching; The good sis Emily being the voice of reason for Apple 
I'm a little indifferent about this though, since I've never used Apple's products.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
Don't start that crap when Windows 8 looks just like Apple's old classic flat icons back in the 90's.
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Don't start this ****. They ALL started with flat. Microsoft still did it first.
My point is that Microsoft started the modern flat design.
Microsoft started a design revolution
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Flat design was and still is gaining a lot of attention. Because of the “realism vs. flat design” and, by consequence, the “Apple vs. Microsoft” narrative – as well as the fact that Apple incorporates the new style in its iOS7 – this style is gaining a lot of buzz.
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Apple supported Skeuomorphism before Microsoft started the Modern Metro UI. When it gained traction they followed. I'm not even saying they copied the design, they adapted it.
The Flattening of Design
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It might sound audacious to think that Microsoft, the arbiter of uncool, was at the forefront of design a few years ago. But it was.
It turns out the company’s decision to focus on “flat design,” a type of visual scheme where everything has a smooth and even look, was a few years ahead of the rest of the technology and user interface industry.
While Microsoft was flattening its interfaces as if it were a child pushing down on a ***** of putty, its competitors – including Apple and Facebook — were focused on skeuomorphism, a type of look in which, say, a note-taking feature on a Web site or in an app would look like a spiral-bound notebook, a reference to the real world look of a notebook.
Now everyone seems to be following in those flat footsteps.
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The Rise of Flat Design
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Whole industries have sprouted around predicting design trends in various fields. Still, nobody expected the next design movement to be spurred by Microsoft.
Whether to better differentiate themselves from Apple or because they genuinely thought this was a better design philosophy, Microsoft embraced a completely different aesthetic for their Metro-style user interface.
Gone were the shadows, highlights, gradients, and textures of iOS apps. Instead, Metro offered flat squares of color with big typography.
Metro vs Metro
in 2012, Microsoft got into trouble with German supermarket chain Metro for trademark infringement, leading them to abandon the name "Metro UI" [9].
But since the best they could come up with to replace it is "Microsoft design language", I'm going to keep on using "Metro". I'll have to trust you to know when I'm talking about the user interface or the supermarket chain.
Flat design had been around for a long time (you can trace its roots back to Swiss design [10]), but Microsoft certainly sent a strong signal by using it so prominently.
Whether or not the general public cares for big block of flat colors, Microsoft's new design philosophy certainly seemed to strike a chord within the tech sphere, with many praising Metro's strong focus on typography and colors.
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Web Design Trends for 2014 and Why Microsoft is a Big Winner
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Microsoft winds because they pioneered just about everything on this list in the modern context when they revealed the Windows 8 user interface, Modern UI. Modern UI is optimized to put the user first, embraces mobile and touch. As a bonus these trends play to the strengths of developers like me. Today Apple and Google are also encouraging these design patterns.
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There is no doubt they started this trend.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
Don't do that. iPhone's aren't worth it for the music player alone.
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Yes they are, unfortunately. They have the best music integration for any platform. I can't bring two devices. It's too bulky. I have an iPod classic I use at home so an iPod touch would make little sense to me.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
They can and they are. The iPhone continues to outsell itself every year and each phone since the 4s has been the best selling smartphone of all time.
In some ways, Apple have had more success by not adding every feature that they can think of. Apple's success is based on simplicity. The iPhone 5 sold 89 million units in one year, and the iPhone 5s already sold 50 million after less than 6 months.
If Apple are bringing out a 4.7 and a 5.5 or whatever inch phone, watch Apple sell 150M iPhone next cycle.
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Well, yes they sell amazingly well but that doesn't mean they are the innovating every time. For example, Multi-tasking on an iPad is still horrible while its contemporaries have vastly improved multitasking. I use a Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 and multitasking is amazing. The same can be said with my Windows 8 laptop.
I'm pretty disappointed Apple wont focus more on Multitasking. It comes in handy to open two apps at once especially for the working group.
Aesthetics and engineering, Apple wins here and this is the reason I think their products are worth the premium price for some but for me, I couldn't justify it at times. The lack of support for MicroSD still disappoints me. They want to charge a hundred more dollars for another 16GB of storage and another hundred to double 32 to 64 when you can get an Android or Windows Phone with 16GB and expand it up to 128GB for a hundred or 64GB for 40. As a media buff, I need storage. My music library is at 70GB and sometimes you just want to have them at all times and this is why I bring my iPod on long drives.
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Apple has finally upgraded its userbase to 2008
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Originally posted by jomarr
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The only reason why it was flat then was because Microsoft had no choice, computers weren't advanced enough. 
Apple were the first to use the flat design as an artistic choice.
And Microsoft can have the cake when it comes to bringing it back. It doesn't mean they own it.
Same with Android.
Most of the stuff Android users claim is incredible the Newton already did in the 90's.
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
Apple has finally upgraded its userbase to 2008
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You wish
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Welp, gloamingthepain with the preaching
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Not preaching  If I was preaching i would want everyone to buy the new iPhone. I'm currently telling someone not to.
I'm just informing that these features are old, but Apple don't approve them until they are 100% with them.
And they balance out borrowed features with original ones, so it all works out in the end.
Except that dock  Apple don't even show it for most of the Yosemite page on their webpage.
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I don't understand everyone's issues with the new dock.
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Originally posted by Homewrecker
I don't understand everyone's issues with the new dock.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by jomarr
Yes they are, unfortunately. They have the best music integration for any platform. I can't bring two devices. It's too bulky. I have an iPod classic I use at home so an iPod touch would make little sense to me.
Well, yes they sell amazingly well but that doesn't mean they are the innovating every time. For example, Multi-tasking on an iPad is still horrible while its contemporaries have vastly improved multitasking. I use a Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 and multitasking is amazing. The same can be said with my Windows 8 laptop.
I'm pretty disappointed Apple wont focus more on Multitasking. It comes in handy to open two apps at once especially for the working group.
Aesthetics and engineering, Apple wins here and this is the reason I think their products are worth the premium price for some but for me, I couldn't justify it at times. The lack of support for MicroSD still disappoints me. They want to charge a hundred more dollars for another 16GB of storage and another hundred to double 32 to 64 when you can get an Android or Windows Phone with 16GB and expand it up to 128GB for a hundred or 64GB for 40. As a media buff, I need storage. My music library is at 70GB and sometimes you just want to have them at all times and this is why I bring my iPod on long drives.
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I prefer Apple's music player, but saying that I think to drop a Windows phone for the iPhone 6 is a bit much. Considering you'd feel restricted once you jumped back on. I mean yeah iOS 8 means the software is less closed than it used to be, but it's still not as open ended and what you're probably used to.
I agree about the storage. The premium price ($500 for a 16GB iPad) I can agree with. But adding hundreds just for space is wrong.
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Originally posted by Homewrecker
I don't understand everyone's issues with the new dock.
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Because it looks like someone from the Jailbreak community designed it the only thing that looks good is the red iTunes icon.
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I love the new interface.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
Because it looks like someone from the Jailbreak community designed it the only thing that looks good is the red iTunes icon.
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it looks similar to the iOS 7 dock and the icons are all mimicking their iOS counterparts for the most part so I don't see the issue or know what people who have a problem with the dock expected....
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SMH @ anyone defending the **** that is Microsoft.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
You wish.
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Thats how long Android (and WebOS) have had like 90% of the features that Apple is touting as "innovation"
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