[Latch]

Originally posted by KyKy

I think any one who supports this is a moron.. people can live without having their junk changed

Goodness,
is there NO social issue that ATRLers aren't completely ignorant and insensitive about?



I mean,
y'all do it with misogyny, the trans* plight, racism, etc.

every thread regarding a serious social issue,
you have some uninformed bottom clacking away on their Toshiba's keyboard saying rude **** like this

[HappyDust]

Originally posted by highwayuni

Ugh, I just paid for mine yesterday!

[Shigo]

YASS! let me not read the comments and get banned.

[BYoncé]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

"Medically necessary" usually means life or death or great physical harm or disability could come without the procedure. Wanting to "feel better", I'm sorry, is not medically necessary so I consider it to be an elective procedure. And no suicide does not count unless you have clinical depression.

"Feel better" in this case means avoiding suicide or avoiding another instance of attempted suicide. If everyone with glasses was beaten, and murdered, and harassed in the bathrooms, or when they wore contacts people would remove them and ask them if their eyesight is "real" or if they're just fooling people about their eyesight, then I guarantee that you'd be 100% for a procedure that made them "feel better" because they'd be able to pass for having eyesight easier. Stop acting like gender is just some thing that people will accept and that this isn't absolutely necessary for the trans people who need it to feel safe and who want it to be able to pass for their gender in public. Please explain to every trans person that has felt unsafe, who has attempted suicide because they can't deal with the depression and body dysmorphia, that this is just about "feeling better" and because of it they don't deserve to have this procedure covered.

[Alvajay]

Not to much on the eyesight sometimes it can be serious depending the issue, someone in my life is on the verge of cataracts and is in there 20s it can lead to blindness as well

[Mupps]

Originally posted by KyKy

Women with flat chests are depressed too let's start covering implants

...you just keep embarrassing yourself

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

So are you really just going to continue ignoring the research that psychiatrists and doctors with actual degrees have performed? Do you really value being ignorant over being educated?

Having a higher rate of something does not mean it WILL happen. Cancer that is shutting down your organs is medically necessary. Just b/c there is a higher population of trans individuals that commit suicide (which is probably skewed due population differences), does not mean if you are trans you WILL commit suicide if the procedure is not done in x amount of days. Even the website your linking lists the surgery as a last resort option for it.

[Flare]

Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla

Oh, do people with bad eyesight suffer from depression and kill themselves at a higher rate than any other population in America? Could you post your sources for this? If it's such a psychologically damaging condition, surely you have some articles to compliment the thousands of article on the effects of Gender Identity Disorder?

This is irrelevant mainly because, NO ONE SAID CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.

I said, since this is going through, Lasik should be covered as well.
It's only logical and fair considering eye sight is something MANY people (including even some of those transexual people) have problems with meanwhile gender related issues is a smaller scale issue for medicare to cover.

Why isn't medicare covering things the average American needs? That's what it was originally created for. Programs like this are to give everyone a chance at living life to some sort of standard yet most are still being denied that.

Great for transexuals who want the surgery that they can get it. Now can everyone else who has a legitimate and fundamental issue get help or should they magically find the money out of thin air?

Wouldn't it truly be a mess if a transexual person could get the body they want but STILL can't afford proper eye sight because it's not covered?

[Giselle]

If you can't see get glasses and shut the hell up

Today is a day of ***progression.

[Jameson Teqkilla]

KyKy, where did you get your PhD in psychiatry? You seem to know so much about the correlation of medical disorders and depression. Surely you also have a source that states women with flat chests are depressed at a clinically high rate?

Or are you just making things up with no basis?

[KyKy]

Originally posted by Janie

...you just keep embarrassing yourself

I'm actually just making a point that this is not a medically necessary procedure. There are plenty of depressed and suicidal people in America, they are all not Trans either.

[MonsterPaw]

Originally posted by Alvajay

Not to much on the eyesight sometimes it can be serious depending the issue, someone in my life is on the verge of cataracts and is in there 20s it can lead to blindness as well

I have cataracts too but I'm not really worried about it. It can be operated and it's just an 10-20 minutes surgery!

[Latch]

Gays always wanna get their jockstraps in a bunch over the way we are treated and represented, but when it comes down to other minority groups facing issues we can't even be respectful



I'm honestly disgusted

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Flare

This is irrelevant mainly because, NO ONE SAID CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.

I said, since this is going through, Lasik should be covered as well.
It's only logical and fair considering eye sight is something MANY people (including even some of those transexual people) have problems with meanwhile gender related issues is a smaller scale issue for medicare to cover.

Why isn't medicare covering things the average American needs? That's what it was originally created for. Programs like this are to give everyone a chance at living life to some sort of standard yet most are still being denied that.

Great for transexuals who want the surgery that they can get it. Now can everyone else who has a legitimate and fundamental issue get help or should they magically find the money out of thin air?

Wouldn't it truly be a mess if a transexual person could get the body they want but STILL can't afford proper eye sight because it's not covered?

Go make your own damn thread about eyesight

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Alvajay

Not to much on the eyesight sometimes it can be serious depending the issue, someone in my life is on the verge of cataracts and is in there 20s it can lead to blindness as well

That surgery is covered by Medicare.

[I. AX]

woah at the lowkey tranny's like me on atrl.

You better work bitch

[memi stan]

Half the population has bad eye sight.... Its not a big deal. Stupid comparison. Having to wear glasses isn't the end of the world. It makes sense to pay for sex changes because it will let those with body dysmorphia live a happy life. Also it won't be all that expensive because it's not that common.

[Saint]

All I have to say is that, I know trans individuals. Some view it that many people view it which is that the surgery is an added plus and not something that is completely necessary while others believe it is something that is necessary. I just think it's something that it needs further discussion especially when trans individuals can't come to an agreement on the subject themselves.

[KyKy]

Originally posted by Flare

This is irrelevant mainly because, NO ONE SAID CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.

I said, since this is going through, Lasik should be covered as well.
It's only logical and fair considering eye sight is something MANY people (including even some of those transexual people) have problems with meanwhile gender related issues is a smaller scale issue for medicare to cover.

Why isn't medicare covering things the average American needs? That's what it was originally created for. Programs like this are to give everyone a chance at living life to some sort of standard yet most are still being denied that.

Great for transexuals who want the surgery that they can get it. Now can everyone else who has a legitimate and fundamental issue get help or should they magically find the money out of thin air?

Wouldn't it truly be a mess if a transexual person could get the body they want but STILL can't afford proper eye sight because it's not covered?

Good point and if it was covered people wouldn't have to constantly pay for eye exams/glasses/contacts

[Mimie]

Originally posted by SupahBass05

They'll be the same as here tbh. Most Yahoo article comments sections read like ATRL threads.

It's pretty bad, someone said that suicide was a cheaper option and that comment has more likes than dislikes