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Discussion: Do you believe in submissive marriages?
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Originally posted by Javan
The divorce rate among Christian has nothing to do with their principles with in the marriage, Christians tend to get married younger as it there is more pressure on marriage and more pressure on marriage before sex thus there are more failed marriages.
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There is more pressure on them because of their religious principles. 
Also this is irrelevant, Christians (especially conservatives) are more likely to have the kinds of marriages detailed in the OP and they are also more likely to get divorced so obviously the divorce problem is not just down to "who makes the decisions".
You even argue that point yourself with you "more pressure" argument. There are obviously many factors that contribute to the divorce rate.
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
Have you ever actually read the bible? There are allot of crazy, awful things written in there that really can't be taken in any other context. Like the part where it specifically details how to get around having to free your slaves, what other context is there?
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What book was that again?
You have to take into account the time the bible was written, slavery was still very popular.
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Originally posted by J03Y
your mother has equal say and influence, but your dad still makes the final decision. they just work together and he makes his decisions based on what they both think. that's the kind of relationship i'm talking about.
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But I'd argue there are an equal number of scenarios where my mother makes the final decision, based on what they both think.
If my mother and my father are both "leading" the relationship in equal quantities (which, through observation, I can tell you they most certainly are), then I'd argue that the relationship doesn't follow the "one leader" model.
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Originally posted by GlitterBitch
I think the person who should be the head of the house is what the couple and family feel most comfortable and at ease with. Some women are very naturally dominant and the same can definitely be said of a lot of men. I personally am a dominant woman and don't care for marriage. Also, there a lots of men out there who like dominant women. Primadonnas we have just got to find the right one  |
You didn't lie though 
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Not myself, but if people believe that, they can go right on ahead. It's not my life
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
Have you ever actually read the bible? There are allot of crazy, awful things written in there that really can't be taken in any other context. Like the part where it specifically details how to get around having to free your slaves, what other context is there?
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sounds like the Old Testament though, which is much more brutal than anything else. the OT was written by flawed men, and through flawed men some laws are made to biblically govern people during that time. the Bible is right smack dab in history, and that's what history was like back then. therefore, the Bible reflected that time.
and there are just as many good things that counter the bad things.
"there are a lot of awful things" is a generic argument and the example you used isn't anything incriminating to the word of God, merely so to the people who were around then.
you also need to consider that God never says anything about slaves or anything related to that other than referring to a person's property. back then, MEN were the ones that assumed slaves and women and children were property. not God. People did.
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
What book was that again?
You have to take into account the time the bible was written, slavery was still very popular.
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Um, possibly Deuteronomy but i'm not sure, i'll go look the exact passages.
Oh and no you don't have to take that into account because the morality in the bible is meant to be gods morality. Why has his morality changed and if so then why do you still take anything written in the bible as moral?
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Originally posted by Wonderland
But I'd argue there are an equal number of scenarios where my mother makes the final decision, based on what they both think.
If my mother and my father are both "leading" the relationship in equal quantities (which, through observation, I can tell you they most certainly are), then I'd argue that the relationship doesn't follow the "one leader" model.
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okay, well, i've never seen that model before. oops? that doesn't change my opinion though 
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
Um, possibly Deuteronomy but i'm not sure, i'll go look the exact passages.
Oh and no you don't have to take that into account because the morality in the bible is meant to be gods morality. Why has his morality changed and if so then why do you still take anything written in the bible as moral?
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As I suspected, the old testament
When jesus came he recounted many of those practices and denounced them. There are countless practices in the old testament no longer practiced by christians today.
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Originally posted by J03Y
you also need to consider that God never says anything about slaves or anything related to that other than referring to a person's property. back then, MEN were the ones that assumed slaves and women and children were property. not God. People did.
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But if God knew that people were going to interpret his message that way, why didn't he clarify his message?
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Originally posted by Wonderland
But if God knew that people were going to interpret his message that way, why didn't he clarify his message?
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God also tells us in the Bible that Eve had incest sex in order to procreate. How are we supposed to interpret that?
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
In the bible
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so then it must be true
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Originally posted by Wonderland
But if God knew that people were going to interpret his message that way, why didn't he clarify his message?
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Simply because he's God
He leaves many things to our interpretation,
We could go discuss the bible further but thats off topic
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
Um, possibly Deuteronomy but i'm not sure, i'll go look the exact passages.
Oh and no you don't have to take that into account because the morality in the bible is meant to be gods morality. Why has his morality changed and if so then why do you still take anything written in the bible as moral?
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because Jesus died on the cross for our sins and made the idea that you'll go to hell because you sinned an entire grey area and if you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and accept Jesus into your life then you'll go to heaven 
God's morality doesn't change, he just gives us another way to salvation so that we can be presented with free will and decide whether we want to make the commitment or not. like a parent, he might not agree with you, but he loves you enough to let you make your own choices.
firstly, you're getting off topic. secondly, your blatant hatred is clearly showing and it might get borderline offensive. i'm just giving you a heads up before you take this thing too far.
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Originally posted by J03Y
sounds like the Old Testament though, which is much more brutal than anything else. the OT was written by flawed men, and through flawed men some laws are made to biblically govern people during that time. the Bible is right smack dab in history, and that's what history was like back then. therefore, the Bible reflected that time.
and there are just as many good things that counter the bad things.
"there are a lot of awful things" is a generic argument and the example you used isn't anything incriminating to the word of God, merely so to the people who were around then.
you also need to consider that God never says anything about slaves or anything related to that other than referring to a person's property. back then, MEN were the ones that assumed slaves and women and children were property. not God. People did.
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Yes the old testament was written by men as was the new and it has always been used to govern people. Yes the bible is a thing of the past full of old, outdated and mostly wrong idea's.
There are good things in the bible but you still keep the bad things in there and many Christians still choose to follow them.
You do understand that this is all meant to be gods law? How can you just ignore the passages you dislike as "by flawed bad men" how do differentiate? Are you a spokesperson for the lord or something?
Jesus condoned slavery (and he is god), he also said that the old testament was not wrong.
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Originally posted by VanityEgo
God also tells us in the Bible that Eve had incest sex in order to procreate. How are we supposed to interpret that?
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Where exactly does it say that 
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Originally posted by VanityEgo
God also tells us in the Bible that Eve had incest sex in order to procreate. How are we supposed to interpret that?
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Exactly
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
Where exactly does it say that |
Iirc Eve only had sons, yet humanity didn't die out.
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Originally posted by Wonderland
But if God knew that people were going to interpret his message that way, why didn't he clarify his message?
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free will. unless you don't want that, in which case go ahead and agree to be a zombie with no free mind.
the whole point of free will is for us to understand that when we act without God we make stupid decisions.
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
Youre all feminists now
Well, its what I believe and looking at marriage stats it's backed with evidence 
BTW its not like I said women should be in the kitchen all day and bear children constantly and NEVER work  |
Provide the evidence then and I mean peer-reviewed studies, not anecdotal evidence which is essentially worthless.
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