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News: Homework is harmful for your health
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Robotic
What's unreasonable amounts of workload/homework to you? Since I am a med student, I do have a sense of what is reasonable and unreasonable. Tell me.
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What's unreasonable for someone else doesn't equal what's unreasonable for you.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
What's unreasonable for someone else doesn't equal what's unreasonable for you.
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TBH I WILL make the generalization that people who want no homework at all are just lazy.
Obviously you are right that every person will have a different definition of what is reachable though.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
False comparison.
The main culprit of high homework loads in the US is high schools (ages 16-18 generally). Finland's regular schools or "Comprehensive School" ends at 16. The students then go on to college where there IS homework.
So really 16-18 year olds have homework in both systems. One is just labeled as a college while the other is not.
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Except, higher homework loads are now starting at a younger and younger age in the US.
Have you heard of the Common Core? 
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Flare
I don't have good work habits. My work habits are horrible.
What prepared me for College is the fact that I'm determined to be there and actually get an education so, I can get where I want to go later in life.
Oh and homework was always my weakest area during school. Only 11th grade I really decided to start trying. 
We're not going into Asian school children because this is a US study for US schools. Apples and Oranges.
You're begrudging the kids who can't do what you did to get to where you are. It's unfair.
Not everyone is you. Get over yourself.
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Please explain how it is apples and oranges. Are they too not children?
All I see is excuses.
I don't begrudge kids who cannot function as I did. I harp on kids who want grandiose but are unwilling to work for it. Kids who want to go to Ivy League and Harvard but whine about having to do any homework. If workloads are excessive and you don't want to do them, fine. But don't complain later that "the school didn't prepare me" neither should one expect to live that Harvard dream. Sorry, kids. This is reality.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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tell that to my Sociology teacher who gave me 16 essay's to write during the Easter break. 
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Again, as I stated in my next post, homework also teaches time management. Good for you that you breezed through high school AND college, but what prepared you for it? INSTILLING GOOD WORK HABITS, which is what the homework has done. Do you think you would have had those habits if you'd NOT done homework? There's learning going on - learning hard work and time management.
Please explain how students in ASIA, particularly Japan, are coping with it. And please dont tell me that they all commit suicide, because the reasons for that vary. Elementary students leave school at 3:30 and go to cram school. Many high schoolers leave their educational settings at 10pm. As one who spent time in Japan, I can attest that our "excessive work load" is about normal for that country.
And no, I do not begrudge the workload I dealt with - I am fully appreciative of the valuable skills it instilled in me. Teaching is NOT an easy job - our work loads far exceed the 8-4pm work day. Add my 2nd job at the university and 3 hours of dance courses. Guess what? I can DO IT because I learned how to cope with excessive work loads.
I stand my ground - if you cannot handle workloads, don't apply for college or even graduate schools!
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"I can work 10 different jobs at once, anyone else who can't keep up at my pace is lazy and a failure!" As if you're the norm. 
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Originally posted by Flare
It's funny how the people shouting about how great the excessive workloads haven't learned Freshman Psychology; not everyone's brains are the same.
Everyone doesn't have the same focus, ability to process loads of information and memory.
Excessive homework of all doesn't help all get where they want to go in life even if they don't procrastinate and have determination.
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There's giving them just enough to encourage them to work harder and then there's pushing them beyond their limits which doesn't prepare them for anything other than being overstressed. Especially when so many kids nowadays have other responsibilities after school to tend to. And I see people in this thread are twisting others' arguments to make it seem like they're suggesting that no homework be given out when no one has seriously said such a thing. There's a healthy middle ground between the two extremes.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
I wake up I get dressed, and I drive to school, spending approximately 7 hours there.
I go home, and spend around the next 8 or so on average on papers, worksheets, math lessons, and projects.
Now, on days I don't have that, I'm pretty darn happy! But I also have a job at a theater many nights out of the week - entirely my choice on that, of course, and I'm lucky I have a boss that lets me do homework on the downtime. But it's still hard to do when I'm expected to fit that job into my schedule on top of 6 - 10 hours of homework, because I'm responsible for a lot of expenses myself.
In college, a lot of these expenses will go a way and I'm hoping to have a couple hours of free time every other night - especially since I'll be working to pay off my tuition. 
Sure, I'm not in med school, but I'm a high school senior. I'm not working toward a graduate degree (and probably won't be). Relative to a high school, 18-year-old-kid setting, this is too much. |
The problem is your study skills, not your workload. My workload is 100 times more and I able to get my workload done with 5-7 hours a day(6 days a week).
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All these years and the tea has finally been spilled
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Originally posted by Flare
Except, higher homework loads are now starting at a younger and younger age in the US.
Have you heard of the Common Core? |
UGH @ Common Core. I'm not doing it because my district isn't switching over until next year, after I graduate, but my little brother's is using it and I despise it to be honest.
It's not even the work load I hate with common core, it's the content.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Flare
Except, higher homework loads are now starting at a younger and younger age in the US.
Have you heard of the Common Core? |
Common Core has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. No where in it does it require homework.
Even before the Common Core existed each state had their own core. So I fail to see how this is any way relevant.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Robotic
The problem is your study skills, not your workload. My workload is 100 times more and I able to get my workload done with 5-7 hours a day(6 days a week).
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But I don't "study" at all, I just work through it - if I did the "studying" I was supposed to for tests and quizzes I'd never sleep, I'm just a natural test taker and don't worry about studying. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
What's unreasonable for someone else doesn't equal what's unreasonable for you.
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Party true, but there is a common opinion of what's reasonable and unreasonable.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
But I don't "study" at all, I just work through it - if I did the "studying" I was supposed to for tests and quizzes I'd never sleep, I'm just a natural test taker and don't worry about studying. |
And that's the problem. No, if you actually "studied" and used your skills, you would do you homework in WAY less time and still get better grades. You have poor skills.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Common Core has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. No where in it does it require homework.
Even before the Common Core existed each state had their own core. So I fail to see how this is any way relevant.
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Teachers have to fit the Common Core curriculum which is a ridiculous curriculum.
Meaning, more homework and busy-work at the student's expense just to keep them on track.
This comes at the younger and younger age. Meaning, while kids in Finland are relaxing to 16, US kids are burnt out by 16.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Flare
Teachers have to fit the Common Core curriculum which is a ridiculous curriculum.
Meaning, more homework and busy-work at the student's expense just to keep them on track.
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Busy work is not following the core....
The definition of busy work is that it does not teach and is just a time sink. If you are doing that then you are not actually teaching the core.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Robotic
And that's the problem. No, if you actually "studied" and used your skills, you would do you homework in WAY less time and still get better grades. You have poor skills.
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I'm calling BS on the bold.
I know for a fact, some teachers LOVE to put things in homework way more difficult than the stuff you're learning or studying to truly test your limits.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Robotic
And that's the problem. No, if you actually "studied" and used your skills, you would do you homework in WAY less time and still get better grades. You have poor skills.
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I'm confused here, though. It's not like I sit there looking things up or going through the textbook and that's why I take so long - I pay attention during lecture and take notes so that's not necessary. The entirety of my homework time is pure writing and typing.
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A lot of my homework is busy work that I don't need. Sometimes I think my teachers hate the students. 
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Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by Flare
I'm calling BS on the bold.
I know for a fact, some teachers LOVE to put things in homework way more difficult than the stuff you're learning or studying to truly test your limits.
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This is true. I go through this so much.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Busy work is not following the core....
The definition of busy work is that it does not teach and is just a time sink. If you are doing that then you are not actually teaching the core.
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Busy work, will infinitely be apart of education. It's impossible not to have busy work.
Whether it come in homework form or in class. You should know, aren't you a teacher?
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