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Single: Lady Gaga - "G.U.Y."
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Originally posted by leo-j
Artpop is an amazing album tho...
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It's good. Not amazing. And since everyone described it as a flop that ruined Interscope, people don't want to buy it and probably won't buy it.
Would you go and see a movie if everyone was saying it was a flop + bad movie, etc, etc ? I personally would not.
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Originally posted by TanguyMonsterr
Gaga 'herself' isn't really the problem.
ARTPOP is. People aren't here for ARTPOP. They want good pop music. Applause was great but this Roar/Applause thing destroyed the song, let's face it.
DWUW was also one of her best songs but basically the non-video-mess + R.Kelly ruined it in the US (did well in Europe so  )
G.U.Y. could do well but if people keep saying ****, it won't be a hit nor a moderate hit.
Don't except much from the ARTPOP era except maybe a good tour which could gross more than 80M in 65 dates  |
If not for BTW, ARTPOP's numbers would be bigger, just as they were big for BTW after TFM. Simple as that. ARTPOP is a good pop music album and if released in 2010, it would do much, MUCH better.
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The fact that I, as a member of the GP until I became a stan this September, thought that she broke her hip and had the blackout in 2011 right after MTN. 
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Originally posted by Aciid
I agree, as much as I love BTW it was a bad idea, not the concept just the marketing. It was so exclusive when it should have been about everyone. If ARTPOP had come after TFM it would have slayed probably. (Any album of course, but ARTPOP singles would have done much better than BTW's)
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Agreed.
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Originally posted by TanguyMonsterr
It's good. Not amazing. And since everyone described it as a flop that ruined Interscope, people don't want to buy it and probably won't buy it.
Would you go and see a movie if everyone was saying it was a flop + bad movie, etc, etc ? I personally would not.
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I would..
Gaga was called a mega flop by xtina fans and Britney fans didn't even give her anything back in 08.. Yet I still watched her.. Despite just dance being a flop.. And the fame flopping when they both came out.. Her success was expected.. Because she was clearly above every other pop girl ever..
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Ironically, Applause just came on the radio. #GiveMeTheG.U.Y.ThatILove
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko
If not for BTW, ARTPOP's numbers would be bigger, just as they were big for BTW after TFM. Simple as that. ARTPOP is a good pop music album and if released in 2010, it would do much, MUCH better.
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I agree. ARTPOP would have done better. BTW should have been released later in her career. Now, she's basically stuck in this image and, I don't know how it is in the US, but here, if you're listening to her, you're gay.
I remember saying to one of my classmates that I was going to see Gaga's BTW Ball and she looked at me pretty much like this  and said "Wait, I didn't know you are gay" 
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Originally posted by Meowster
The fact that I, as a member of the GP until I became a stan this September, thought that she broke her hip and had the blackout in 2011 right after MTN. |
Marry the night was rising on radio.. Interscope dropped it because it wasn't a runaway hit like her previous songs..
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People shouldn't even be throwing Born This Way under the bus now, Gaga was considered gay even before Born This Way. Yes, she never made a gay song before but it really didn't affect her that much just like "Same Love" didn't affect Macklemore. Born This Way has nothing to do with Gaga's decline, but the truth is that she wasn't meant to be huge her whole career. She was bound to have an underperformance and here we have it, and ARTPOP isn't the album the GP wants. All in all, people loved Born This Way and that's why it sold 7 million copies on a WW scale, and you can say it was riding off of TFM's success which is kind of true but then again, what is Beyoncé's successful era holding on to now? 4 wasn't successful at all. And by that logic ARTPOP would be riding off of Born This Way's success.
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Originally posted by leo-j
Oh please.. Firework had a gay boy kissing in the video.. And that didn't hurt Katy..
Born this way was not that bad for her.. Her audience prob just doesn't buy music too.. Most gay guys I know don't buy anything they download illegally.. And they love gaga..
Little competitive pre teen girls.. Are very competitive ppl
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Are you comparing a four second scene in Perry's music video to the BTW, a LGBT exclusive album? Stop. BTW damaged her, big time and everyone knows it, even though the album is regarded by many fans as her best or very personal and I get that. In the eyes of the gp, it was too much and I get that too.
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The stark contrast in genre between ARTPOP and BTW. She probably should have gone from TFM to Artpop to BTW, in retrospect. She still would have had backlash though.
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Originally posted by Meowster
The stark contrast in genre between ARTPOP and BTW. She probably should have gone from TFM to Artpop to BTW, in retrospect. She still would have had backlash though.
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She would. And, yes, BTW should be released later in her career.
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To be fair though, Gaga hasn't had a music video gayer than Alejandro when she easily could have. BTW, for being a LGBT empowerment anthem, was rather conservative aside from Mother Monster's manifesto. 
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko
Nope. That's not it. People need to realize that before BTW Gaga was a Poker Face singer and everyone bopped to it, they even bopped to the weird Bad Romance, but BTW - a LGBT exclusive and more than gay friendly record - threw off the GP, big time. Since then she's at best a guilty pleasure for a huge part of straight people. The gp is not here for her beacuse of BTW, not beacuse ARTPOP was a bad album. It's so obvious. Doing what she did with releasing BTW was a bad idea for her career, especially that early, even though she wanted it so bad. It backfired and is the main reason behind her decline.
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Exactly. GUY would be smashing right now if the GP didn't consider Gaga to be exclusively gay oriented. Whether you like it or not the GP is nearly all straight people and a lot of prejudice and judgement falls with associating your favorite music with a gay pop star. (even tho Gaga herself is straight...  )
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko
Are you comparing a four second scene in Perry's music video to the BTW, a LGBT exclusive album? Stop. BTW damaged her, big time and everyone knows it, even though the album is regarded by many fans as her best or very personal and I get that. In the eyes of the gp, it was too much and I get that too.
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How was Born This Way an LGBT exclusive album? If people thought it was "gay" they would've already been put off by the title and not bought it but they bought 7 million copies of an album titled Born This Way. On top of that, Born This Way has many different subject matters and only has like 2 LGBT songs and even "Hair" is a little iffy.
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Originally posted by leo-j
No one adapated..
You ppl realize the reason gaga fell apart wasn't because of just btw.. But because she disappeared for almost two entire years.. While Katy was racking up #1 after #1.. And rihanna was doing the same.. Both not only taking gaga's dark dance theme.. But also replicating the formula that was the fame.. (Djws blew up explaining this).. Gaga made that big mistake..
She is trying to get herself back in the lime light in music.. And she is doing everything right. Just Katy Perry is also doing everything right.. And safe.. And continuing what she did while gaga was gone from radio and music in general..
Also Adele released 19 well before gaga was even out with the fame.. Adele is not why gaga fell off.. It is the other pop girls that kind of took her place.. ATM , she just needs to remind ppl why she is lady gaga and they aren't on her level.. This is why Beyonce is still a success
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Adele's success of 21 got rid of that pop girl dance music that Gaga is so fond of. A bunch of artists started to rise up and change their sound. Compare We Found Love to Diamonds. California Girls to Roar.
Britney, Kesha and Gaga suffered because they didn't change to the new wave of music. Die Young and Applause weren't failures, but they were still pretty much dated in the typical dance pop song of 2009.
Pitbull is probably the only one who can still do this 
Of course Gaga is the reason why..,she hasn't adapted. All of her peers have. Gaga is still releasing pre-21 music.
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
People shouldn't even be throwing Born This Way under the bus now, Gaga was considered gay even before Born This Way. Yes, she never made a gay song before but it really didn't affect her that much just like "Same Love" didn't affect Macklemore. Born This Way has nothing to do with Gaga's decline, but the truth is that she wasn't meant to be huge her whole career. She was bound to have an underperformance and here we have it, and ARTPOP isn't the album the GP wants. All in all, people loved Born This Way and that's why it sold 7 million copies on a WW scale, and you can say it was riding off of TFM's success which is kind of true but then again, what is Beyoncé's successful era holding on to now? 4 wasn't successful at all. And by that logic ARTPOP would be riding off of Born This Way's success.
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But straights would still listen to her.
Macklemore is a rapper. His music is "straight" by definition, obviously, it won't hurt him.
I agree on that part. It would have happened anyway.
The end of the BTW era was a mess. Plus, Gaga took a long break. BTW's success was already forgotten.
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Originally posted by Meowster
To be fair though, Gaga hasn't had a music video gayer than Alejandro when she easily could have. BTW, for being a LGBT empowerment anthem, was rather conservative aside from Mother Monster's manifesto. |
The denial 
Gaga is viewed in ALL media as the gay pop star. Little Monsters are all considered to be gay teens as well due to her always pushing that BornBrave mental help "It Gets Better" message towards them.
The GP thinks (I believe) that liking Gaga = being gay. Being a LM = being gay.
Unfortunately GUY will have a huge hill to climb up if it's going to be a hit.
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Gaga would have had success with ARTPOP if she released it after TFM, but she probably would have gotten trashed. The album shows no evolution, while BTW does. Gaga should have just released a better album to begin with last year
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko
Are you comparing a four second scene in Perry's music video to the BTW, a LGBT exclusive album? Stop. BTW damaged her, big time and everyone knows it, even though the album is regarded by many fans as her best or very personal and I get that. In the eyes of the gp, it was too much and I get that too.
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The only thing LGBT exclusive about that album as a whole is the title, and even that is a reach. Just because she established her image as such with the video for Alejandro doesn't mean the album is gay itself. 
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