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Celeb News: Bill Werde: “Lady GaGa Needs A Break”
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Originally posted by Shelter
She was on a break, but the public are over her gimmicks. She needs to just show off her talent and stop the **** that overshadows it, it is making people dislike her even more.
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I agree. I think the best move for her would've been to do an MTV unplugged special to show people her raw talent without all the gimmicks. It would've been a great promo before the tour
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Another break? She was absent for most of 2012 and half of 2013. And since album release she's been a hermit save for a few random performances 
She needs to stay in people's minds for a while and let her music sink in. Another disappearing act will only hurt her career further.
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G.U.Y likely won't smash, but hopefully help most of us (including myself) reconsider our thoughts about Gaga. If the video is cute and fun, that's all it needs.
Don't know about the break because she's beginning to tour and it's nice to have something released before the tour.
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Originally posted by Matte
G.U.Y likely won't smash, but hopefully help most of us (including myself) reconsider our thoughts about Gaga. If the video is cute and fun, that's all it needs.
Don't know about the break because she's beginning to tour and it's nice to have something released before the tour.
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"G.U.Y." is terrific, but in my opinion, not a hit. Hope I'm wrong though.
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Originally posted by feuxtography
1.) Bill Werde has been on the Gaga attack since she started with Artpop even though every once in-awhile he throws in that he loves her.
2.) He's usually wrong about what songs will smash and which ones wont.
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1. Gaga fans and others who just seem to randomly enjoy theatrics have regularly misconstrued level, critical thinking as Gaga attacks. I think the one thing I do regret is taking to twitter once and chiding gaga about tweeting a link that went to a playlist of her video on repeat in order to influence play counts and charts; at that moment I hadn't yet realized it was something a few other artists were doing/had done. Nor did I fully realize that YouTube's spam detection eliminated suspicious plays.
The truth is, I'm a fan of Lady Gaga's. I caught her show at Radio City back in the day, and I think two different tours at the Garden. She has a strong voice, a great persona for performance and at times has demonstrated a penchant for writing viciously catchy and fun pop songs. I've listened to everything she's released and generally really respect her for having the will and resolve to follow her own muse. She makes pop interesting in a way that few other stars have the cajones (or desire) to think about. And lately it's been painful to watch media big and small hyperinflate every drama, real (the album isn't her strongest work, indecision around single choices, personnel changes in her camp) or imagined (that ridiculous, fabricated $25 million marketing number; possibly the notion that her tour isn't selling as well).
But just because many in media are misrepresenting details or piling on doesn't mean I can't honestly think - and share my opinion - that this album doesn't represent her strongest work. You can say that she doesn't care about her songs charting and that her fans don't care either, and if that's true that's totally cool. There's lots of different ways to have a career in music there days, and certainly, there are options besides being a globally successful pop star. But "charting" is just a scorecard of popularity, of commercial success. Her last two albums haven't had hits the way her first two did. That doesn't mean she won't have albums again one day that galvanize mass audiences wherever they be. But generally, if the hits don't keep coming, the audiences at the shows start to dwindle. The budgets shrink. The productions shrink with the budgets, and that would be a shame, because her productions are pretty stunning usually.
Again, none of this is a forgone conclusion. Gaga still has lots of fans. And I have to believe the songwriter with a knack for delivering number one hits is still in there, and will rise again. When I say that I think maybe she should take a break, it's partly because I'm tired of watching media pillorize her for taking the same risks that they used to cheer. And it's partly bc I don't think the songs on this album are going to connect in a big way. And the more she keeps releasing big expensive videos and songs that don't chart or dont chart well, the more the perception of failure grows (fair or not) and the deeper the hole is that she'll need to dig from next time.
And of course there will be a next time. Acts like Weezer and Pink had been written off as "over" by media before returning to even greater heights. After she released "4" to middling sales and then was accused of taking too long to release another album, Beyoncé was all but pronounced as dead by a grumbling media - some just weeks before she rocked the pop universe with her surprise iTunes album. And lord knows, if Mariah could return from the Glitter era, we've learned anything is possible.
So yes, as I said on Twitter, if I was her manager, I'd recommend she reconsider making additional substantial expenditure on the songs on Artpop. Maybe release a new song or two, or commission some remixes if you need to generate some new excitement around the tour. Focus on creating an amazing tour. And then let people miss you for a little while, while you go find your creative muse and create a new album of your best work. That's not me hating. That's me pulling for Gaga.
2. Actually my track record ain't bad on calling hits or misses. I was shouting out Lorde from the treetops before anyone else I knew was on that. I was unmoved by the Rihanna/Shakira track, even as hype bubbles were rising everywhere. I won't go on, and I'm sure I've gotten some wrong. But I'm better than some 
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Originally posted by retromaury
I think Venus would've smashed if it was released as the 2nd single as it was originally planed.
That song is amazing
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I agree. At least, I think an edit of Venus or Gypsy or even Brooklyn Nights all feel stronger to me as singles than GUY which just feels very quirky sonically and lyrically.
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Originally posted by Bwerde
1. Gaga fans and others who just seem to randomly enjoy theatrics have regularly misconstrued level, critical thinking as Gaga attacks. I think the one thing I do regret is taking to twitter once and chiding gaga about tweeting a link that went to a playlist of her video on repeat in order to influence play counts and charts; at that moment I hadn't yet realized it was something a few other artists were doing/had done. Nor did I fully realize that YouTube's spam detection eliminated suspicious plays.
The truth is, I'm a fan of Lady Gaga's. I caught her show at Radio City back in the day, and I think two different tours at the Garden. She has a strong voice, a great persona for performance and at times has demonstrated a penchant for writing viciously catchy and fun pop songs. I've listened to everything she's released and generally really respect her for having the will and resolve to follow her own muse. She makes pop interesting in a way that few other stars have the cajones (or desire) to think about. And lately it's been painful to watch media big and small hyperinflate every drama, real (the album isn't her strongest work, indecision around single choices, personnel changes in her camp) or imagined (that ridiculous, fabricated $25 million marketing number; possibly the notion that her tour isn't selling as well).
But just because many in media are misrepresenting details or piling on doesn't mean I can't honestly think - and share my opinion - that this album doesn't represent her strongest work. You can say that she doesn't care about her songs charting and that her fans don't care either, and if that's true that's totally cool. There's lots of different ways to have a career in music there days, and certainly, there are options besides being a globally successful pop star. But "charting" is just a scorecard of popularity, of commercial success. Her last two albums haven't had hits the way her first two did. That doesn't mean she won't have albums again one day that galvanize mass audiences wherever they be. But generally, if the hits don't keep coming, the audiences at the shows start to dwindle. The budgets shrink. The productions shrink with the budgets, and that would be a shame, because her productions are pretty stunning usually.
Again, none of this is a forgone conclusion. Gaga still has lots of fans. And I have to believe the songwriter with a knack for delivering number one hits is still in there, and will rise again. When I say that I think maybe she should take a break, it's partly because I'm tired of watching media pillorize her for taking the same risks that they used to cheer. And it's partly bc I don't think the songs on this album are going to connect in a big way. And the more she keeps releasing big expensive videos and songs that don't chart or dont chart well, the more the perception of failure grows (fair or not) and the deeper the hole is that she'll need to dig from next time.
And of course there will be a next time. Acts like Weezer and Pink had been written off as "over" by media before returning to even greater heights. After she released "4" to middling sales and then was accused of taking too long to release another album, Beyoncé was all but pronounced as dead by a grumbling media - some just weeks before she rocked the pop universe with her surprise iTunes album. And lord knows, if Mariah could return from the Glitter era, we've learned anything is possible.
So yes, as I said on Twitter, if I was her manager, I'd recommend she reconsider making additional substantial expenditure on the songs on Artpop. Maybe release a new song or two, or commission some remixes if you need to generate some new excitement around the tour. Focus on creating an amazing tour. And then let people miss you for a little while, while you go find your creative muse and create a new album of your best work. That's not me hating. That's me pulling for Gaga.
2. Actually my track record ain't bad on calling hits or misses. I was shouting out Lorde from the treetops before anyone else I knew was on that. I was unmoved by the Rihanna/Shakira track, even as hype bubbles were rising everywhere. I won't go on, and I'm sure I've gotten some wrong. But I'm better than some |
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Bwerde you better educate
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nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn I won't be able to stay if she takes another break. 
Plus didn't she already take a break after a 2 year break??
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Originally posted by Bwerde
I agree. At least, I think an edit of Venus or Gypsy or even Brooklyn Nights all feel stronger to me as singles than GUY which just feels very quirky sonically and lyrically.
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Don't you think quirky dance music (which is an accurate description of Venus as well) is what people still want from Gaga, though? I thought for sure DWUW would've been an effortless top 5 hit, but in the end it failed to outdo Applause, which had much "quirkier" lyrics. In the end I still think people want quirky Gaga rather than crowd-pandering Gaga (eg. Gypsy).
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I agree with him. And all this ATRL hype for GUY and avis and expectations. I can't. It's like the time when Applause was supposed to premiere... 
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I don't like G.U.Y. that much either, but maybe thats why it will be a hit cuz I dont' like anything currently in top 10 lmao
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Originally posted by Bwerde
1. Gaga fans and others who just seem to randomly enjoy theatrics have regularly misconstrued level, critical thinking as Gaga attacks. I think the one thing I do regret is taking to twitter once and chiding gaga about tweeting a link that went to a playlist of her video on repeat in order to influence play counts and charts; at that moment I hadn't yet realized it was something a few other artists were doing/had done. Nor did I fully realize that YouTube's spam detection eliminated suspicious plays.
The truth is, I'm a fan of Lady Gaga's. I caught her show at Radio City back in the day, and I think two different tours at the Garden. She has a strong voice, a great persona for performance and at times has demonstrated a penchant for writing viciously catchy and fun pop songs. I've listened to everything she's released and generally really respect her for having the will and resolve to follow her own muse. She makes pop interesting in a way that few other stars have the cajones (or desire) to think about. And lately it's been painful to watch media big and small hyperinflate every drama, real (the album isn't her strongest work, indecision around single choices, personnel changes in her camp) or imagined (that ridiculous, fabricated $25 million marketing number; possibly the notion that her tour isn't selling as well).
But just because many in media are misrepresenting details or piling on doesn't mean I can't honestly think - and share my opinion - that this album doesn't represent her strongest work. You can say that she doesn't care about her songs charting and that her fans don't care either, and if that's true that's totally cool. There's lots of different ways to have a career in music there days, and certainly, there are options besides being a globally successful pop star. But "charting" is just a scorecard of popularity, of commercial success. Her last two albums haven't had hits the way her first two did. That doesn't mean she won't have albums again one day that galvanize mass audiences wherever they be. But generally, if the hits don't keep coming, the audiences at the shows start to dwindle. The budgets shrink. The productions shrink with the budgets, and that would be a shame, because her productions are pretty stunning usually.
Again, none of this is a forgone conclusion. Gaga still has lots of fans. And I have to believe the songwriter with a knack for delivering number one hits is still in there, and will rise again. When I say that I think maybe she should take a break, it's partly because I'm tired of watching media pillorize her for taking the same risks that they used to cheer. And it's partly bc I don't think the songs on this album are going to connect in a big way. And the more she keeps releasing big expensive videos and songs that don't chart or dont chart well, the more the perception of failure grows (fair or not) and the deeper the hole is that she'll need to dig from next time.
And of course there will be a next time. Acts like Weezer and Pink had been written off as "over" by media before returning to even greater heights. After she released "4" to middling sales and then was accused of taking too long to release another album, Beyoncé was all but pronounced as dead by a grumbling media - some just weeks before she rocked the pop universe with her surprise iTunes album. And lord knows, if Mariah could return from the Glitter era, we've learned anything is possible.
So yes, as I said on Twitter, if I was her manager, I'd recommend she reconsider making additional substantial expenditure on the songs on Artpop. Maybe release a new song or two, or commission some remixes if you need to generate some new excitement around the tour. Focus on creating an amazing tour. And then let people miss you for a little while, while you go find your creative muse and create a new album of your best work. That's not me hating. That's me pulling for Gaga.
2. Actually my track record ain't bad on calling hits or misses. I was shouting out Lorde from the treetops before anyone else I knew was on that. I was unmoved by the Rihanna/Shakira track, even as hype bubbles were rising everywhere. I won't go on, and I'm sure I've gotten some wrong. But I'm better than some |
Oh hey bae 
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Lemme perch.
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You better put em in place, Bwerde!
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Bill better drag us
That being said, all of his points are true. ARTPOP is not her best album and we saw the results of that.
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Originally posted by Bwerde
1. Gaga fans and others who just seem to randomly enjoy theatrics have regularly misconstrued level, critical thinking as Gaga attacks. I think the one thing I do regret is taking to twitter once and chiding gaga about tweeting a link that went to a playlist of her video on repeat in order to influence play counts and charts; at that moment I hadn't yet realized it was something a few other artists were doing/had done. Nor did I fully realize that YouTube's spam detection eliminated suspicious plays.
The truth is, I'm a fan of Lady Gaga's. I caught her show at Radio City back in the day, and I think two different tours at the Garden. She has a strong voice, a great persona for performance and at times has demonstrated a penchant for writing viciously catchy and fun pop songs. I've listened to everything she's released and generally really respect her for having the will and resolve to follow her own muse. She makes pop interesting in a way that few other stars have the cajones (or desire) to think about. And lately it's been painful to watch media big and small hyperinflate every drama, real (the album isn't her strongest work, indecision around single choices, personnel changes in her camp) or imagined (that ridiculous, fabricated $25 million marketing number; possibly the notion that her tour isn't selling as well).
But just because many in media are misrepresenting details or piling on doesn't mean I can't honestly think - and share my opinion - that this album doesn't represent her strongest work. You can say that she doesn't care about her songs charting and that her fans don't care either, and if that's true that's totally cool. There's lots of different ways to have a career in music there days, and certainly, there are options besides being a globally successful pop star. But "charting" is just a scorecard of popularity, of commercial success. Her last two albums haven't had hits the way her first two did. That doesn't mean she won't have albums again one day that galvanize mass audiences wherever they be. But generally, if the hits don't keep coming, the audiences at the shows start to dwindle. The budgets shrink. The productions shrink with the budgets, and that would be a shame, because her productions are pretty stunning usually.
Again, none of this is a forgone conclusion. Gaga still has lots of fans. And I have to believe the songwriter with a knack for delivering number one hits is still in there, and will rise again. When I say that I think maybe she should take a break, it's partly because I'm tired of watching media pillorize her for taking the same risks that they used to cheer. And it's partly bc I don't think the songs on this album are going to connect in a big way. And the more she keeps releasing big expensive videos and songs that don't chart or dont chart well, the more the perception of failure grows (fair or not) and the deeper the hole is that she'll need to dig from next time.
And of course there will be a next time. Acts like Weezer and Pink had been written off as "over" by media before returning to even greater heights. After she released "4" to middling sales and then was accused of taking too long to release another album, Beyoncé was all but pronounced as dead by a grumbling media - some just weeks before she rocked the pop universe with her surprise iTunes album. And lord knows, if Mariah could return from the Glitter era, we've learned anything is possible.
So yes, as I said on Twitter, if I was her manager, I'd recommend she reconsider making additional substantial expenditure on the songs on Artpop. Maybe release a new song or two, or commission some remixes if you need to generate some new excitement around the tour. Focus on creating an amazing tour. And then let people miss you for a little while, while you go find your creative muse and create a new album of your best work. That's not me hating. That's me pulling for Gaga.
2. Actually my track record ain't bad on calling hits or misses. I was shouting out Lorde from the treetops before anyone else I knew was on that. I was unmoved by the Rihanna/Shakira track, even as hype bubbles were rising everywhere. I won't go on, and I'm sure I've gotten some wrong. But I'm better than some |
This is such a flawless post. Same logic could be applied to my Legend X too.
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Originally posted by Bwerde
1. Gaga fans and others who just seem to randomly enjoy theatrics have regularly misconstrued level, critical thinking as Gaga attacks. I think the one thing I do regret is taking to twitter once and chiding gaga about tweeting a link that went to a playlist of her video on repeat in order to influence play counts and charts; at that moment I hadn't yet realized it was something a few other artists were doing/had done. Nor did I fully realize that YouTube's spam detection eliminated suspicious plays.
The truth is, I'm a fan of Lady Gaga's. I caught her show at Radio City back in the day, and I think two different tours at the Garden. She has a strong voice, a great persona for performance and at times has demonstrated a penchant for writing viciously catchy and fun pop songs. I've listened to everything she's released and generally really respect her for having the will and resolve to follow her own muse. She makes pop interesting in a way that few other stars have the cajones (or desire) to think about. And lately it's been painful to watch media big and small hyperinflate every drama, real (the album isn't her strongest work, indecision around single choices, personnel changes in her camp) or imagined (that ridiculous, fabricated $25 million marketing number; possibly the notion that her tour isn't selling as well).
But just because many in media are misrepresenting details or piling on doesn't mean I can't honestly think - and share my opinion - that this album doesn't represent her strongest work. You can say that she doesn't care about her songs charting and that her fans don't care either, and if that's true that's totally cool. There's lots of different ways to have a career in music there days, and certainly, there are options besides being a globally successful pop star. But "charting" is just a scorecard of popularity, of commercial success. Her last two albums haven't had hits the way her first two did. That doesn't mean she won't have albums again one day that galvanize mass audiences wherever they be. But generally, if the hits don't keep coming, the audiences at the shows start to dwindle. The budgets shrink. The productions shrink with the budgets, and that would be a shame, because her productions are pretty stunning usually.
Again, none of this is a forgone conclusion. Gaga still has lots of fans. And I have to believe the songwriter with a knack for delivering number one hits is still in there, and will rise again. When I say that I think maybe she should take a break, it's partly because I'm tired of watching media pillorize her for taking the same risks that they used to cheer. And it's partly bc I don't think the songs on this album are going to connect in a big way. And the more she keeps releasing big expensive videos and songs that don't chart or dont chart well, the more the perception of failure grows (fair or not) and the deeper the hole is that she'll need to dig from next time.
And of course there will be a next time. Acts like Weezer and Pink had been written off as "over" by media before returning to even greater heights. After she released "4" to middling sales and then was accused of taking too long to release another album, Beyoncé was all but pronounced as dead by a grumbling media - some just weeks before she rocked the pop universe with her surprise iTunes album. And lord knows, if Mariah could return from the Glitter era, we've learned anything is possible.
So yes, as I said on Twitter, if I was her manager, I'd recommend she reconsider making additional substantial expenditure on the songs on Artpop. Maybe release a new song or two, or commission some remixes if you need to generate some new excitement around the tour. Focus on creating an amazing tour. And then let people miss you for a little while, while you go find your creative muse and create a new album of your best work. That's not me hating. That's me pulling for Gaga.
2. Actually my track record ain't bad on calling hits or misses. I was shouting out Lorde from the treetops before anyone else I knew was on that. I was unmoved by the Rihanna/Shakira track, even as hype bubbles were rising everywhere. I won't go on, and I'm sure I've gotten some wrong. But I'm better than some |
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