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Discussion: Why is it so bad to be basic and generic?
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Originally posted by Thor
A lil bit of a risk? 
BTW, an album totally devoted to gay rights & self acceptance. She lost majority of her straight fans. She took that risk in her 3rd album, so early in her career.
If she wanted, she could've made another TFM and slayed even harder. But she took a risk and went the complete opposite way. That's NOT basic or generic. She alienated so many of her listeners by making BTW. |
BTW was released when self acceptance songs were in. Raise Your Glass, Firework, We R Who We R. It was to capitalise on the trend. It was a safe choice.
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With Katy, she kept the momentum from TD going by creating another TD (Prism) not saying that that's wrong....cuz everyone wants success and if something works then keep it going. But it's not going to be considered "commendable" at all. And that is why a lot of people call her music "basic" & "generic".
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PRISM is nothing like TD aside from Roar and International Smile 
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Originally posted by Lil Misty
Btw tried SO hard to be TFM but failed because of: overproduced songs that sound like literally bleep bloop noise sometimes, horrendous lyrics my god, and a horrible horrible image.
It's weird how she just fell off.
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BTW tried so hard to be TFM? How? In what way? Can you tell me about their subject matters & themes? And how they were similar?
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Originally posted by Thor
A lil bit of a risk?
BTW, an album totally devoted to gay rights & self acceptance. She lost majority of her straight fans. She took that risk in her 3rd album, so early in her career.
If she wanted, she could've made another TFM and slayed even harder. But she took a risk and went the complete opposite way. That's NOT basic or generic. She alienated so many of her listeners by making BTW.
With Katy, she kept the momentum from TD going by creating another TD (Prism) not saying that that's wrong....cuz everyone wants success and if something works then keep it going. But it's not going to be considered "commendable" at all. And that is why a lot of people call her music "basic" & "generic". |
She only talks about gay rights once on BTW....good bye.
And yes, cause Prism is totally like Teenage Dream in sound and imagery! Like wow!
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Originally posted by G.U.Y
you mean the 'image' that has been created by capitol? 
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Actually (as has been stated many times before) Capitol wanted Katy to go away and make OOTB 2.0 but she decided to go for a poppier sound and she herself brought in Will Cotton to design things like the album cover and the CG video.
Even the director of the Roar, Uncle and DH videos said the imagery and ideas behind the video came from Katy.
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Originally posted by bluth
Sales are indicative of the position in which the artist is right now and the extent to which they deliver to the GP. It no way correlates with quality, otherwise there would be hundreds of obscure albums decimating Katy's career into the ground right now  |
lmao yes it does, no one's going to buy absolute trash. Any album by a well-established popstar will do good if the music is good enough. Beyonce did it with no promo.
There's NO reason why Britney Jean or ARTPOP isn't selling well other than the fact that it's just bad music. The albums are easy to listen to and people were aware that they had new music out, yet no one wanted it. Why?
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1. There are so many people in this world with more talent than the "basic and generic" people that want to have the type of job these masses are having in the industry
2. Usually people only come for it when basic and generic stans come for other people's faves with actual talent.
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Originally posted by Thor
BTW tried so hard to be TFM? How? In what way? Can you tell me about their subject matters & themes? And how they were similar?
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The dark imagery only much more silly this time around. The music is basically the same but way too synthesized and way too mushy, whoever mastered it did a bad job.
D I mean, compare HIGHWAY UNICORN ROAD TO LUV XDDDD
to something like Dance in the Dark.
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
BTW was released when self acceptance songs were in. Raise Your Glass, Firework, We R Who We R. It was to capitalise on the trend. It was a safe choice.
PRISM is nothing like TD aside from Roar and International Smile |
Ok, sure. 
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Is this really a question?? Of course it's not positive thing to be generic. When you have a discography that shows no artistic growth and is basically repetitive for a so called music artist it's a bad reflection on them.
Plus because you are generic it creates less of a motive in the future to buy your albums because we have heard everything you did before you released it, by either yourself or someone else. I don't find too much of an issue if someone wants to be generic if that's what their respective fans want. However people who try to act like they are more than that but fail to deliver are just
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Originally posted by evyonce
1. There are so many people in this world with more talent than the "basic and generic" people that want to have the type of job these masses are having in the industry
2. Usually people only come for it when basic and generic stans come for other people's faves with actual talent.
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Basically.
/end thread.
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
BTW was released when self acceptance songs were in. Raise Your Glass, Firework, We R Who We R. It was to capitalise on the trend. It was a safe choice.
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Those songs really flit around the edge of the problem though. They're too conservative and fluffy in their attempts to break social barriers and choose to dress up the problem with metaphors that are designed not to offend.
By including lyrics like 'no matter black, white or beige', Gaga addressed the heart of the problem directly. She did a good job.
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PRISM is nothing like TD aside from Roar and International Smile
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Both albums are incredibly deferential to radio trends and filling up the albums with three minute songs designed to be played on radio with verse-chorus [x3] structures that are accessible. Her songwriting may have progressed slightly on a few Prism tracks but as a whole it's still the same bubblegum radio pop affair.
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Roar, Unconditionally, and Dark horse don't sound like anything she has released before. If she releases Birthday, that's another kind of throwback pop gem that's unique for her.
I don't get why people expect these female artists to be "polarizing/ to shock/ to go to extreme"...I mean, male artists don't have this ridiculous expectation. Why is it so bad to be mainstream when you're female?
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Originally posted by evyonce
1. There are so many people in this world with more talent than the "basic and generic" people that want to have the type of job these masses are having in the industry
2. Usually people only come for it when basic and generic stans come for other people's faves with actual talent.
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AND BEAUTY TOO. Go Katy!
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Originally posted by Allie
There's NO reason why Britney Jean or ARTPOP isn't selling well other than the fact that it's just bad music. The albums are easy to listen to and people were aware that they had new music out, yet no one wanted it. Why? |
No. You're really kidding yourself now.
Why has Prism sold more than the likes of My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Channel Orange, good kid mAAd city and The ArchAndroid? Does that make it a better album? Hmm? Answer please.
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Originally posted by Thor
A lil bit of a risk?
BTW, an album totally devoted to gay rights & self acceptance. She lost majority of her straight fans. She took that risk in her 3rd album, so early in her career.
If she wanted, she could've made another TFM and slayed even harder. But she took a risk and went the complete opposite way. That's NOT basic or generic. She alienated so many of her listeners by making BTW.
With Katy, she kept the momentum from TD going by creating another TD (Prism) not saying that that's wrong....cuz everyone wants success and if something works then keep it going. But it's not going to be considered "commendable" at all. And that is why a lot of people call her music "basic" & "generic". |
Excuse me... what? Last time I checked she only had the song BTW that talked about acceptance which magically went number one. The rest of the songs I don't recall being about gay rights. And Lady Gaga has more material than just BTW that's about gay rights or in relation to being homosexual. Plus, the GP knew she was a gay rights advocate as soon as ha first single became noticed, and she still managed to have a normal career despite that. (sorry if i came at you wrong)
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Originally posted by Lil Misty
She only talks about gay rights once on BTW....good bye.
And yes, cause Prism is totally like Teenage Dream in sound and imagery! Like wow!
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Bye. If you played all the videos from Teenage Dream and Prism in order it would all just seem like one big era.
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Originally posted by bluth
Both albums are incredibly deferential to radio trends and filling up the albums with three minute songs designed to be played on radio with verse-chorus [x3] structures that are accessible. Her songwriting may have progressed slightly on a few Prism tracks but as a whole it's still the same bubblegum radio pop affair.
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The only bubblegum tracks on PRISM are Roar and International Smile
Just because they're radio friendly (which, might I add, is what Gaga said every song on ARTPOP was designed to be) doesn't mean they're like the songs on TD.
Find me a song like Walking on Air on TD. Find me a song like Choose Your Battles, It Takes Two, Spiritual, Ghost, Dark Horse on TD. Find me songs like Birthday and Love Me on TD.
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Originally posted by bluth
Those songs really flit around the edge of the problem though. They're too conservative and fluffy in their attempts to break social barriers and choose to dress up the problem with metaphors that are designed not to offend.
By including lyrics like 'no matter black, white or beige', Gaga addressed the heart of the problem directly. She did a good job.
Both albums are incredibly deferential to radio trends and filling up the albums with three minute songs designed to be played on radio with verse-chorus [x3] structures that are accessible. Her songwriting may have progressed slightly on a few Prism tracks but as a whole it's still the same bubblegum radio pop affair.
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Katy Perry fact time!
In the Firework video Katy Perry shows two gay men kiss (one has a gaga tattoo!!), something gaga has yet to show at all visually!
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It's just boring.
But I don't think people like Katy and Britney are generic. Yes, their songs are radio friendly, but they do a variety from ballads, mid-tempos, etc, and take influences from other genres such as rock sometimes. I think Lady Gaga and Taio Cruz and so on are the generic pop stars, since they just refuse to venture out of dance-pop, and too many of their songs sound similar.
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Originally posted by VIRUS
Bye. If you played all the videos from Teenage Dream and Prism in order it would all just seem like one big era.
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I'm talking about the album art x-x
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