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Discussion: Are you g0y?
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Originally posted by aphdkd
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People need to stop coming up with these ridiculous labels and just be themselves.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
It still doesn't make you some other sexual orientation, and it doesn't make you more masculine than gay men who do have anal sex.
We don't give heterosexual women who don't like giving blowjobs a seperate orientation.
You're attracted to the same sex. You're gay. You're a gay guy who doesn't like anal. It's not uncommon and it is not a sexual orientation.
People who label themselves as tops and bottoms aren't claiming to not be gay.
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Talking about sexually, it is more masculine not to be penetrated...
And I know my sexual orientation is gay, and I feel that g0y movement should be a sub-division of male homosexuality (opposed as what the page said), but as I stated in the first post, I don't agree with every single thing written in that page. I just want to identify with the group for it's main concepts (not being interested in anal, and disliking the "femalization" of the gay male).
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
Talking about sexually, it is more masculine not to be penetrated...
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Sucking dick isn't super masculine either but you do it anyway.
Making out with a dude is as "unmasculine" as taking it in the butt if we're going to go by that definition.
There's no heirarchy of masculine gay sex acts. It's all sex between two dudes. I'm sorry if that ****s with your self-esteem, but that's not how it works. You don't magically become masculine because you're a top, or because you don't have anal at all. There are extremely effeminate tops and extremely masculine bottoms.
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
And I know my sexual orientation is gay, and I feel that g0y movement should be a sub-division of male homosexuality (opposed as what the page said), but as I stated in the first post, I don't agree with every single thing written in that page. I just want to identify with the group for it's main concepts (not being interested in anal, and disliking the "femalization" of the gay male).
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1) Not being interested in anal =/= g0y. All you have to say is "oral only," or "not into anal" like gay men have been doing for decades.
2) Why in the world would you label your own sexual orientation based off of other people's perception of other gay men? That's not masculinity. That's insecurity.
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
Talking about sexually, it is more masculine not to be penetrated...
And I know my sexual orientation is gay, and I feel that g0y movement should be a sub-division of male homosexuality (opposed as what the page said), but as I stated in the first post, I don't agree with every single thing written in that page. I just want to identify with the group for it's main concepts (not being interested in anal, and disliking the "femalization" of the gay male).
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Girl what the hell are you on....
Why do you want that? Do you think you'll somehow be more accepted if you claim to not like anal sex and ''feminine'' aspects in other men? By the way, liking anal sex =/= being gay. You're gay if you like the same gender as yours, and that's it. And how do you know if you don't like it if you've never tried it? This isn't like killing someone or anything. 
By that article, they don't even try to come off as a serious thing. They just show their shallowness and blatant internalized homophobia, besides being stupid as ****. Why would anyone want to associate themselves with people like that?
This whole thing is just a joke.
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Member Since: 4/26/2007
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
1) Not being interested in anal =/= g0y. All you have to say is "oral only," or "not into anal" like gay men have been doing for decades.
2) Why in the world would you label your own sexual orientation based off of other people's perception of other gay men? That's not masculinity. That's insecurity.
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1. It's valid to say "not into anal" as you mentioned, but I don't find what's so wrong with using a word instead of that.
2. It's not "other people's perception", sadly, the first people labeling gays are other gays... that's why I really disliking when in real life, people call me "sis", "girl" or something like that... even if I'm gay, I'm still a man, and I'm proud of being a man.
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
1. It's valid to say "not into anal" as you mentioned, but I don't find what's so wrong with using a word instead of that.
2. It's not "other people's perception", sadly, the first people labeling gays are other gays... that's why I really disliking when in real life, people call me "sis", "girl" or something like that... even if I'm gay, I'm still a man, and I'm proud of being a man.
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1. There's nothing wrong with using "a word." But the word you're trying to use, "g0y" means a whole lot more than "I don't like anal sex." You're arguing about what you wish the word "g0y" meant, not what the creators of it want it to mean.
2. You mean like how you labeled being the receptive partner of penetration less masculine 10 minutes ago? You mean like how you're trying to find a way to label yourself as gay without having to deal with the reality of being a gay man? You're just as obsessed with labeling as everyone else, if not more. Masculinity isn't trying to find a label that makes you feel better about yourself or distances you from "other" gay men. Masculinity is about saying "**** you" to the people who label you as less masculine because you like dudes and moving on with your life.
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Member Since: 4/26/2007
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Originally posted by AMIT
Girl what the hell are you on....
Why do you want that? Do you think you'll somehow be more accepted if you claim to not like anal sex and ''feminine'' aspects in other men? By the way, liking anal sex =/= being gay.
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In this case is not really about being accepted or not, it's just a way to tell that I don't like anal sex and "femine" aspects in other men using one word, I don't see why is it that bad 
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Originally posted by AMIT
You're gay if you like the same gender as yours, and that's it. And how do you know if you don't like it if you've never tried it? This isn't like killing someone or anything. |
I know I'm gay, that's not what I'm discussing. I've never in my life been interested in my anal sex (I'm actually a little grossed about it). Before, I tought that I should give it a try, but then I started thinking that I don't need to try everything to know I don't like it, it's like straight guys don't need to have sex with men to know they're straight...
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
In this case is not really about being accepted or not, it's just a way to tell that I don't like anal sex and "femine" aspects in other men using one word, I don't see why is it that bad |
It's bad because you're equating the two things. Not liking anal sex doesn't make you more or less masculine.
And if you need a whole word and separate identity to distance yourself from the "feminine" parts of the gay community, you're not that masculine in the first place. You're just insecure. Masculinity should speak for itself.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
1. There's nothing wrong with using "a word." But the word you're trying to use, "g0y" means a whole lot more than "I don't like anal sex." You're arguing about what you wish the word "g0y" meant, not what the creators of it want it to mean.
2. You mean like how you labeled being the receptive partner of penetration less masculine 10 minutes ago? You mean like how you're trying to find a way to label yourself as gay without having to deal with the reality of being a gay man? You're just as obsessed with labeling as everyone else, if not more. Masculinity isn't trying to find a label that makes you feel better about yourself or distances you from "other" gay men. Masculinity is about saying "**** you" to the people who label you as less masculine because you like dudes and moving on with your life.
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1. I will compare it to catolicism, I consider myself a catholic, but I don't believe what the bible or the priest says is 100% true, even if I'm part of that group, I'm an individual and I have different ideas and opinions, but I consider myself part of that group, because I agree with the main concepts. It's the same with the "g0y movement", even if I don't fit 100% with the ideology, I think I agree at least with the basic concept.
2. When I wrote about penetration in my post, I used the word "sexually talking", because I know it doesn't apply for other aspects of masculinity... And what is the "reality of being a gay man" that you're talking about? If you're talking about the rejection from the people who I care, it's obvious that no sane would like to go through that... And even as a "g0y", gay or even if I was bisexual, is the same **** I will have to go through, so, no, (sadly) the name doesn't change the reality
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Member Since: 4/26/2007
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
It's bad because you're equating the two things. Not liking anal sex doesn't make you more or less masculine.
And if you need a whole word and separate identity to distance yourself from the "feminine" parts of the gay community, you're not that masculine in the first place. You're just insecure. Masculinity should speak for itself.
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Even the most masculine gays I know get called "sis" or "girl" by other gays just for the fact of being gay...
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NO. I am xyz.
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This **** is so ****ing offensive, it's just made by closet homophobes who can't handle the fact that they suck dick.
**** this movement.
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
Even the most masculine gays I know get called "sis" or "girl" by other gays just for the fact of being gay...
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Yeah, it's common slang. You can't control what other gay men call you.
If you feel insecure in your masculinity because of that, you are not actually masculine. Someone who is really masculine doesn't feel less masculine because of what other people call them endearingly. Someone who is actually masculine doesn't need constant validation and reaffirmation of their masculinity.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
Yeah, it's common slang.
If you feel insecure in your masculinity because of that, you are not actually masculine. Someone who is really masculine doesn't feel less masculine because of what other people call them. Someone who is actually masculine doesn't need constant validation and reaffirmation of their masculinity.
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This should be true though it doesn't work in real world. If everyone calls a king a queen is he really a king? I make zero sense but you should get it.
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Originally posted by Mr. Loco
1. I will compare it to catolicism, I consider myself a catholic, but I don't believe what the bible or the priest says is 100% true, even if I'm part of that group, I'm an individual and I have different ideas and opinions, but I consider myself part of that group, because I agree with the main concepts. It's the same with the "g0y movement", even if I don't fit 100% with the ideology, I think I agree at least with the basic concept.
2. When I wrote about penetration in my post, I used the word "sexually talking", because I know it doesn't apply for other aspects of masculinity... And what is the "reality of being a gay man" that you're talking about? If you're talking about the rejection from the people who I care, it's obvious that no sane would like to go through that... And even as a "g0y", gay or even if I was bisexual, is the same **** I will have to go through, so, no, (sadly) the name doesn't change the reality
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1. The most basic concept of the "g0y" movement is that they don't admit to being gay. You're choosing to focus on two details (don't like buttsex and "masculinity!") and ignoring the other paragraphs that you posted.
2. The reality of being a gay man is that society as a whole is set up to tell you you're feminine. No amount of coming up with other labels to call yourself that will ever change the fact that closed-minded people are going to think you're more feminine for being gay. Making up some other label to call yourself because you want to "distance" yourself from that is weak. Be a man and deal with the ******** you have to deal with for being gay, don't try to act like you're somehow separate from it because you don't like buttsex.
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Originally posted by popmagic
This should be true though it doesn't work in real world. If everyone calls a king a queen is he really a king? I make zero sense but you should get it.
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Uh, yup. King still makes the rules.
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