[BlueMoon77]

Originally posted by Bloo

Regardless, your opinion seems to be inconsistent. I'm taking a break from reading for my Honors class, shockingly my life doesn't revolve around ATRL.

My opinions have stayed the same, what exactly has changed ??
Meanwhile you keep assuming that I have stated something when I have clearly not. It's pretty safe to say that you can't really judge if my opinions are consistent or not when you keep fabricating my statements



Your honors class Trying to make yourself sound educated?? lame

[Bloo]

Originally posted by BlueMoon77

My opinions have stayed the same, what exactly has changed ??
Meanwhile you keep assuming that I have stated something when I have clearly not. It's pretty safe to say that you can't really judge if my opinions are consistent or not when you keep fabricating my statements

When you say Stronger is worse than We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I comment on it, that isn't me adding words to your mouth, that's me directly quoting you.

Your honors class Trying to make yourself sound educated?? lame

I was doing reading about the conflict of witchcraft and Christianity for my honors class on magic and witchcraft from an anthropological point of view. It's under the HNR catalog, so yes, an honors class. Wasn't trying to sound smart.

[BlueMoon77]

Originally posted by Bloo

When you say Stronger is worse than We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I comment on it, that isn't me adding words to your mouth, that's me directly quoting you.


I was doing reading about the conflict of witchcraft and Christianity for my honors class on magic and witchcraft from an anthropological point of view. It's under the HNR catalog, so yes, an honors class. Wasn't trying to sound smart.

You said that I stated WANEGBT is better than anything Kelly has ever written- I never said that
You said that I stated Kelly is a horrible songwriter- I never said that.
You said you don't know why I keep saying that Taylor is a better songwriter by comparing her to a song that Kelly didn't write- I never said she wrote the song.
You said I was acting as if Taylor's WANEGBT was a masterpiece- I never said nor did I insinuate this.
Atm you said I was comparing Stronger to WANEGBT lyrics, then when bringing up that Stronger wasn't the better song lyrically, you said that I changed the song from WANEGBT to IKYWT- I clearly did not do that. That was in response to a completely different post.
You said that I agreed that songwriting was due to personal preference- I never agreed with you, I actually disagreed saying that Taylor's songwriting was superior

[BlueMoon77]

Originally posted by Cupid

Just because a song has more than 1 writer = they aren't that artists songs anymore?

The logic

Does she OWN the songs?? No, they also belong to other songwriters

What's your point??

[CriticalHit]

As others have said, Kelly wrote the vast majority of Sober and Maybe. The reason there are other songwriters listed is because they played the instruments and Kelly gives them credit to be nice.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by BlueMoon77

You said that I stated WANEGBT is better than anything Kelly has ever written- I never said that

I never claimed you said that. I would have used the word "troll" much earlier in our exchanges if you had.

You said that I stated Kelly is a horrible songwriter- I never said that.

You, or some other fan, stated that. If I mixed you up, sorry.

You said you don't know why I keep saying that Taylor is a better songwriter by comparing her to a song that Kelly didn't write- I never said she wrote the song.

I never said you did. I just didn't understand why you made the comparison to begin with.

You said I was acting as if Taylor's WANEGBT was a masterpiece- I never said nor did I insinuate this.

It came off the way, honestly. You couldn't even admit that it's a vastly flawed song.

Atm you said I was comparing Stronger to WANEGBT lyrics, then when bringing up that Stronger wasn't the better song lyrically, you said that I changed the song from WANEGBT to IKYWT- I clearly did not do that. That was in response to a completely different post.

Then why were you responding to my posts?

You said that I agreed that songwriting was due to personal preference- I never agreed with you, I actually disagreed saying that Taylor's songwriting was superior

The typically implies that you agree for the most part.

Originally posted by BlueMoon77

Does she OWN the songs?? No, they also belong to other songwriters

What's your point??

She does own the song as she was the writer of the song. She has owned Because of You since she was 16 years old. Don't start. Give up this argument, especially when all the stans (who know what they're talking about regarding Kelly, unlike you) are repeating the same thing and you ignore every word they say, repeating the same expired argument. Admit you're wrong on that, and move on.

[Hunter_13]

Taylor Swift.

[BlueMoon77]

Originally posted by Bloo

I never claimed you said that. I would have used the word "troll" much earlier in our exchanges if you had.

You, or some other fan, stated that. If I mixed you up, sorry.

I never said you did. I just didn't understand why you made the comparison to begin with.

It came off the way, honestly. You couldn't even admit that it's a vastly flawed song.

Then why were you responding to my posts?

The typically implies that you agree for the most part.

She does own the song as she was the writer of the song. She has owned Because of You since she was 16 years old. Don't start. Give up this argument, especially when all the stans (who know what they're talking about regarding Kelly, unlike you) are repeating the same thing and you ignore every word they say, repeating the same expired argument. Admit you're wrong on that, and move on.

It came off the way, honestly. You couldn't even admit that it's a vastly flawed song.

I already noted previously that WANEGBT is one of Taylor's worst songs. That's why I compared it to Stronger in the first place I never even implied WANEGBT was a masterpiece, that was yet again one of your many assumptions that you like to run so wildly with.
I don't agree with Kelly stans therefore I don't know what I am talking about great argument


And

Originally posted by Bloo
Very few people are saying that. However, we have one fan saying WANEGBT is apparently better than anything Kelly has ever written by comparing it to a song that Kelly didn't even write.

You must have forgotten, or was that another assumption

[MissedTheTrain]

Originally posted by BlueMoon77

But the song itself is generic and unoriginal, there's no arguing that. And please STAHP with the writing melodies with your voice, I have already commented about this MULTIPLE times. Like I stated previously, stop ganging up on me and come up with your own opinion.

That's your opinion, so yes I could very well disagree with you.

And yes, you can definitely write a melody with your voice. I didn't see you say anything other than "you can't". I'm not "ganging up on you", and this is my own opinion. This actually isn't even an opinion, its a fact that you can write a melody with just vocals.

[ToxicHeaven]

Taylor.

[castle13]

Wait Kelly writes her own music?

[enchanted0]

Taylor. I love Kelly too!

[revel8]

Kelly's latest album has only been out for 2 and a half years and has still to reach the first week sales of Taylor's latest album. The GP have shown who they prefer quite categorically. ATRL poll showing that majority have niche tastes that are not shared by the GP at large.

Taylor had the highest grossing tour in NA last year. Kelly had to resort to being a support act for Maroon 5 for their NA tour. The GP showing that ATRL polls can be out of touch with real-world ticket demands.

Amusing to see some people actually voted for Kelly here. I assume they are just trolling or just voting against Taylor because they are fed up with her winning AOTY nominations and AMA Artists of the Year Awards and selling 1 million + albums in a week. Taylor won the Pinnacle Award at the CMAs. Kelly is striving to break into Country Music. Taylor already has conquered it - the Country Madonna.

I like Kelly but obviously Taylor is in a whole different class with regards to talent, likeability, acclaim and star-power. Taylor is the biggest American Artist of her generation. Kelly never was or even close to it. Only on ATRL will people pretend Kelly wins in a comparion between the two when the real comparison is done in the real world in the music market. Taylor wins by every metric in the real world. Popularity - AMAs Artist of the Year times 3. Acclaim - Grammy AOTY 1 win and 1 nomination. Sales - only artist to go 4 Plat twice this decade. Touring - Red biggest grossing NA Tour of 2013.

Guess which of the two is going to sell the most albums for their next album - Taylor or Kelly? Guess which of the two is going to sell the most concert tickets for their next headlining tours? Guess which artist is going to finish their careers with more awards at the Grammy's, AMAs, CMAs, BBMAs, ACMs? Taylor - in every single category.

[Nerevanin]

Originally posted by BlueMoon77

Are you above the age of ten??
Please post me Kelly's best soely-written song. And please don't even try it with Because Of You, because it's too lyrically weak of a song to be comparing it with others.

"WANEGBT" is like the most stupid song ever"

WOW great review as to WHY the song is stupid, very insightful

At least the song is memorable/ risky/ and original unlike Stronger, which ANY pop girl could've done. WANEGBT is one of Taylor's worst songs, but you can still tell that it is Taylor because the lyrics and phrasing are original.

If you really think KELLY CLARKSON writes musical melodies with her voice then you are ****ing crazy. Give me some receipts, and she will shoot straight to number one on my all- time musicians list . This fantasy of Kelly being a great songwriter is ridiculous

Oh God. I hope that you realize that if you repeat the same thing over and over and over, it doesn't change anything about how wrong it is. Because you will keep on telling how a bad artist is Kelly and how is she unable to record or write or something a good song, I will not even try to post some interviews in which she tells she wrote the songs all by herself, I won't even try to post her lyrical masterpieces because a) they were already posted some pages ago, b) you still would not appreciate them so it's a waste of time, I won't even mention that this "bad artist" is in the industry for 12 years, sells millions worldwide and has a song in the Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Song of All Time and I won't do many others things, because you have your own truth, you will never acknowledge anything I would say. Bye.

A big at the bolded part.

[WayTooHonest13]

[WayTooHonest13]

Disciples and Kelly stans, this is a preference poll, let's stop with these "Who's better?" arguments, or take it to SYG.

[iamanearthling]

taylor quite easily.. the only thing kelly has on her is vocals and generic music

[MissedTheTrain]

Originally posted by revel8

Taylor had the highest grossing tour in NA last year. Kelly had to resort to being a support act for Maroon 5 for their NA tour. The GP showing that ATRL polls can be out of touch with real-world ticket demands.

Amusing to see some people actually voted for Kelly here. I assume they are just trolling or just voting against Taylor because they are fed up with her winning AOTY nominations and AMA Artists of the Year Awards and selling 1 million + albums in a week. Taylor won the Pinnacle Award at the CMAs. Kelly is striving to break into Country Music. Taylor already has conquered it - the Country Madonna.

I like Kelly but obviously Taylor is in a whole different class with regards to talent, likeability, acclaim and star-power. Taylor is the biggest American Artist of her generation. Kelly never was or even close to it. Only on ATRL will people pretend Kelly wins in a comparion between the two when the real comparison is done in the real world in the music market. Taylor wins by every metric in the real world. Popularity - AMAs Artist of the Year times 3. Acclaim - Grammy AOTY 1 win and 1 nomination. Sales - only artist to go 4 Plat twice this decade. Touring - Red biggest grossing NA Tour of 2013.

Guess which of the two is going to sell the most albums for their next album - Taylor or Kelly? Guess which of the two is going to sell the most concert tickets for their next headlining tours? Guess which artist is going to finish their careers with more awards at the Grammy's, AMAs, CMAs, BBMAs, ACMs? Taylor - in every single category.

Kelly did not have to "resort" to anything, she didn't even have to go on that tour. She went on her own WW tour in 2012. The 2013 tour was the Honda Civic Tour, which always has two big acts.

Taylor is not in "a whole different class with regards to talent, like ability, acclaim and star power", that's beyond stan blindness. Sure she's got bigger star power, I think she's a better songwriter, but that doesn't all mean she's in a different league of talent.

And Kelly was definitely as big during the Breakaway era, you're seriously underestimating her.

The majority of Taylor's material has been in the Country market…when you're a leading girl in Country music, the competition is not nearly as hard as it is in Pop for things like Grammys.

[BlueMoon77]

Originally posted by Nerevanin

Oh God. I hope that you realize that if you repeat the same thing over and over and over, it doesn't change anything about how wrong it is. Because you will keep on telling how a bad artist is Kelly and how is she unable to record or write or something a good song, I will not even try to post some interviews in which she tells she wrote the songs all by herself, I won't even try to post her lyrical masterpieces because a) they were already posted some pages ago, b) you still would not appreciate them so it's a waste of time, I won't even mention that this "bad artist" is in the industry for 12 years, sells millions worldwide and has a song in the Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Song of All Time and I won't do many others things, because you have your own truth, you will never acknowledge anything I would say. Bye.

A big at the bolded part.

I never said she was a bad artist, NEVER SAID IT. What is the point of commenting about something when y'all are just going to misconstrue and make my words up for me??
Not you saying I'm repeating my words when your post is literally the same as the last 20 KC stans post
The hypocrisy

And yes,
WANEGBT is more memorable, original, and riskier than a song like Stronger.
A country artists releasing a full bubblegum pop song is a lot riskier than an already pop singer releasing a song that contains elements of the latest fads in pop music "We are never ever ever getting back together" will ALWAYS be remembered as a Taylor Swift lyric where as a hundred other girls will reword the lines "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger stand a little taller", mix it with the most recent sound in pop music and whip up a hit. BTW have you ever heard the lyrics "and you would hide away and find your piece of mind, with some indie record that's much cooler than mine" in ANY other song?? mmmmm, not so much . It's called ORIGINALITY. Something that Taylor has been able to project since she broke through in 2006.

[BlueMoon77]

Originally posted by MissedTheTrain

Kelly did not have to "resort" to anything, she didn't even have to go on that tour. She went on her own WW tour in 2012. The 2013 tour was the Honda Civic Tour, which always has two big acts.

Taylor is not in "a whole different class with regards to talent, like ability, acclaim and star power", that's beyond stan blindness. Sure she's got bigger star power, I think she's a better songwriter, but that doesn't all mean she's in a different league of talent.

And Kelly was definitely as big during the Breakaway era, you're seriously underestimating her.

The majority of Taylor's material has been in the Country market…when you're a leading girl in Country music, the competition is not nearly as hard as it is in Pop for things like Grammys.

Not saying anything bad about Kelly here, but Taylor is definitely in a league of her own when it comes to talent. She is the creative director of everything in her music career from writing her own album linear notes to designing her own tours. Nothing in her career happens without going through Taylor first. There's not a lot of artist in the music industry who are that involved (in control) of their own art, like Taylor is.