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Fan Base: Archived: Lady Gaga (#2)
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Originally posted by HausofKen
People say Gaga doesn't have good music meanwhile Applause is about to hit 5M sold WW ! I mean if she didn't make good music then people wouldn't buy it. Gaga knows what she has to do shes not stupid !
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is this true ?
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Member Since: 7/16/2010
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Originally posted by GotMyBlueprint
That's not the problem
The GP isn't even paying attention to any of this nor do they care about it
The music is the problem
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Nah the music isn't the problem at all, her public image is just destroyed and that is what needs to be restored. Music is a product and the product itself is fine, but the brand is damaged. I mean the most hated brand could make the best technology, but that doesn't mean that people will care enough to actually go out, because they are pushed away by the bad reputation.
Gaga is the brand and she needs to restore that "reputation", to make the product work!
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Retro
That's a faulty assumption right off the bat. The more generic the artist, the more the GP digs on average; if an album is great without being generic it will lose attention from the GP regardless.
TFM was brilliant AND to some extent generic; she was commercially appealing enough to be the biggest pop star on earth while at the same time making great music. She's deviated from the commercial appeal to a pretty great degree overall. ARTPOP as an album is brilliant, it is commercial, it is catchy - it's the era that people don't like. It's the clown makeup in public, it's the Venus sub-era. It's not the music - some of the music is her very best. It's the image, the atmosphere, and the character that she projects.
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I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that ARTPOP is a brilliant album. It isn't at all what she said it is, and the album doesn't even know what it wants to be. Songs like Aura, Mary Jane Holland, and ARTPOP are written so try hard that it takes away from the beautiful melodies underneath. The critic attacking songs like Applause and DWUW also waste great melodies in favor of victim lyrics that offer nothing but the question 'does this Gaga ever sing about anything?' Then moments where she gets it right (Gypsy) are too rare.
For an album that allegedly tried to bring pop and art together, Gaga sure did an awful job. The art is brought on because Gaga mentions the word art and the pop derives from non-adventurous melodies that admittedly would have been brilliant in 2010.
Don't get me wrong. Every song on ARTPOP is listenable for me and I enjoy each one individually. As an album, there are many revisions needed for it to truly deserve the title ARTPOP.
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Originally posted by Negev
Give the dude a break, if you guys are so annoyed by what he writes then just don't reply to him. If anything the amount of discussion he created here only brought the thread back to life. 
Definitely no.
The disrespect some people give to The Fame/Monster... I mean, if Gaga's music wasn't any good back then - how did she become so famous? Her act and persona definitely had an impact but if the music was trash nobody would've given a **** about her. |
Thank goodness we still have great and rational members with good taste like you!
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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And just now Jolie made his own little thread where he opened a poll and voted that "Gaga gives him a headache".
What do the Radio ARTPOP call those people? Fake fans? Not that they are any better.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by HausofKen
People say Gaga doesn't have good music meanwhile Applause is about to hit 5M sold WW ! I mean if she didn't make good music then people wouldn't buy it. Gaga knows what she has to do shes not stupid !
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I think we all know she's not stupid, but she has been making a lot of stupid decisions.
Like, how on earth she didn't released a video for her second single when she's a major popstar and she is(or were) known for her music videos. That's just to begin with
Anyway, I'll have no problem with her not being on top, but it's clearly affecting her as well because I guess she also had big expectations (like all of us) for ARTPOP. The evidence is her multiple meltdowns, the big depression she suffered from everybody saying she's a flop, etc, etc.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that ARTPOP is a brilliant album. It isn't at all what she said it is, and the album doesn't even know what it wants to be. Songs like Aura, Mary Jane Holland, and ARTPOP are written so try hard that it takes away from the beautiful melodies underneath. The critic attacking songs like Applause and DWUW also waste great melodies in favor of victim lyrics that offer nothing but the question 'does this Gaga ever sing about anything?' Then moments where she gets it right (Gypsy) are too rare.
For an album that allegedly tried to bring pop and art together, Gaga sure did an awful job. The art is brought on because Gaga mentions the word art and the pop derives from non-adventurous melodies that admittedly would have been brilliant in 2010.
Don't get me wrong. Every song on ARTPOP is listenable for me and I enjoy each one individually. As an album, there are many revisions needed for it to truly deserve the title ARTPOP.
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As far as the title and comparing it to what she promised, you honestly just have to ignore her. Looking at the album relative to what I wanted and what I would have been happy with, it's perfect. Looking at it relative to what she says indeed puts it in a rather negative light because she always extolls the virtues of her next revolutionary record, and that's just not realistic.
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I'd say the music is a bigger problem than the image tbh. For sure. People were actually excited to hear Born This Way, and then...
Applause is good but the lyrics are obviously not GP-friendly. DWUW is good but overrated. But Retro does make a good point by saying the song would have done way better back in 2010. Hmm oh well. Back to the drawing board.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by !Blue!
It is quite hard to ignore it when he spams this thread with paragraphs of meltdowns
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But you do understand that when somebody replies to any of his posts, it goes on and on because he feels like he needs to prove his point. It's not his fault that you guys make his meltdowns relevant.
This is past-off-topic, so let's take a step back.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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The lyrics issue is not THAT BIG of a problem tbh. People only remember some lyrics of a song. The image on the other hand stays perched on people's minds.
If we had the Bad Romance lyrics released just now with all those "ra ras" and non-sense we would be dragging it, lets be real.
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I mean, regardless of the reasons, we can all agree that she's not in the same position she was in four years ago. The MORE important question is: what can she do to change it and will she do it?
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Retro
As far as the title and comparing it to what she promised, you honestly just have to ignore her. Looking at the album relative to what I wanted and what I would have been happy with, it's perfect. Looking at it relative to what she says indeed puts it in a rather negative light because she always extolls the virtues of her next revolutionary record, and that's just not realistic.
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This just isn't necessarily the album I found fit for Gaga as a natural evolution to her talent. As an artist, I find ARTPOP a step backwards. As a commercial pop artist, I find ARTPOP a step backwards. She didn't excel in pop or art, but I do believe every song is good...Just not good enough to complete one whole album.
The worst part is that she probably has the best music in career on her laptop and chose not to put them on ARTPOP
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One of the things I Always felt is that ARTPOP is the album that should have been made after TFM, it is basically the perfect bridge soundwise between TF and BTW era.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by GotMyBlueprint
Do you guys really think the GP really cares about what gaga does outside of her music anymore?  |
**** the GP
we're talking about the same group of people who made **** like what does the fox say and gangnam style top 10 on the hot 100 so their opinions have no merit
gaga is too much for them bc she isn't easily digestible
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Ramos
The lyrics issue is not THAT BIG of a problem tbh. People only remember some lyrics of a song. The image on the other hand stays perched on people's minds.
If we had the Bad Romance lyrics released just now with all those "ra ras" and non-sense we would be dragging it, lets be real.
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Not me. Bad Romance was relative to my life at the time and it was a godsend. And people are listening to lyrics more now than they were five years ago. I blame Adele 
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Originally posted by Retro
I mean, regardless of the reasons, we can all agree that she's not in the same position she was in four years ago. The MORE important question is: what can she do to change it and will she do it?
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It's too late. At this point, she's released more bad albums than good ones (2 vs 1.5). Anyhow, I don't really care if she becomes even half as big as she used to be. Just want her to make a good album again. Seems like too much to ask for nowadays.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
I mean, regardless of the reasons, we can all agree that she's not in the same position she was in four years ago. The MORE important question is: what can she do to change it and will she do it?
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Well, people in my school LOVE Applause and I mean LOVE it
People just don't buy music anymore. I told my friends to buy it on iTunes. They laughed and said "You don't actually buy music do you? That's what *******s are for" They all bop to Applause and it's on all their iPods so just because something's not selling great doesn't mean the GP aren't liking it
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
This just isn't necessarily the album I found fit for Gaga as a natural evolution to her talent. As an artist, I find ARTPOP a step backwards. As a commercial pop artist, I find ARTPOP a step backwards. She didn't excel in pop or art, but I do believe every song is good...Just not good enough to complete one whole album.
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Oh my God, your first paragraph made me think of her unreleased material, and then I read that last sentence.
Imagine if her album contained some of her old demo material. I wonder, would we still appreciate that music, had it been officially-released? I doubt it, personally.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
The worst part is that she probably has the best music in career on her laptop and chose not to put them on ARTPOP |
That's always been true.  She doubts herself and her better ideas while exaggerating the brilliance of the ideas she thinks are moderately safe, IMO. "Out of Control" is probably insane in full, and I'm sure she has more just as epic hidden away on her laptop or on an old Blackberry phone she's forgotten about.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
No, it's honestly not. The GP really does see when she does stupid **** because it proliferates the media when it happens. What people DON'T notice is the music because they've been turned off by something earlier on in the era or in previous eras. DWUW is pretty universally liked, and it only performed moderately on the charts, for example. Applause and DWUW are damn good pop songs and radio recognized that and supported them hugely; the GP didn't buy them because something else turned them off.
Go back and have her release DWUW in mid-2010; it would have crushed any semblance of competition you could find. Release it today? Nope, people have been turned off by image problems and aren't as interested.
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Nothing about the lyrics are commercially appealing, though. Production-wise, sure but these lyrics are just flat-out awful 
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