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Sports: XXII Olympic Winter Games - Sochi Russia
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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Toronto dropped out of the 2024 race, which means Calgary or Quebec City should be good for the 2026 games. 
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I don't see the games coming back to Canada for a while.
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you guys are talking about the Olympics in 2022, 2026, 2030 
We'll be in our 30's then 
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Originally posted by Concrete
Where did I lie? I didn't write the article. I highlighted the point made in the article that 1 judge may have had reason to be biased (unproven) but that another had a history of proven corruption and THAT appeared to be enough to sway the results. This contradicts the statement you had previously made about two corrupt judges being on a panel not being enough to sway an outcome. Clearly, 1 is all you need, Regardless of the specific discipline (dance vs singles).
You never used the word impossible about rigging an outcome, but you said it would be very difficult (  ) and I disagreed. I was right. You can't say it's hard to cheat in ice dance but then possible to cheat in the singles event.
Again, where's my lie? Cheating is still very possible and arguably probable in the sport. One judge is enough to ensure that. And measures taken to prevent corruption are still clearly weak at best 
Adelina's marks (especially the presentation) were grossly inflated. You don't need to keep trying so hard to discredit Yuna and justify Adelina's win. You won't convince me otherwise and you won't convince me there's no cheating in skating  |
Wrong. You clearly dont know how the new judging system works.
It is possible to cheat, but one judge is not enough to do that, because the top and bottom extreme scores are dropped and two more scores are dropped at random, so there is 9 judges, but only the scores average of 5 judges will determine the outcome of competitions.
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Waittttt
Yuna Kim medal in every single competition she participated in in her lifetime...
wow. she's a true legend. Why no one be telling me this? 
That solidifies her as the greatest of all time imo. wow
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Germany has been a huge flop this olympics 
Also, @ Russia getting half of its gold medals from an American and South Korean who emigrated basically just for Olympic glory. Wonder how much money Russians threw at them (Victor Ahn with 3 gold models Vic wild with 1 and probably adding another today for Parallel Slalom)
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
Germany has been a huge flop this olympics
Also, @ Russia getting half of its gold medals from an American and South Korean who emigrated basically just for Olympic glory. Wonder how much money Russians threw at them (Victor Ahn with 3 gold models Vic wild with 1 and probably adding another today for Parallel Slalom) |
You are from US, you have no right to talk about this, hun, when your country is the most well known for doing it.
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
Germany has been a huge flop this olympics
Also, @ Russia getting half of its gold medals from an American and South Korean who emigrated basically just for Olympic glory. Wonder how much money Russians threw at them (Victor Ahn with 3 gold models Vic wild with 1 and probably adding another today for Parallel Slalom) |
The South Korean left his country because the short track federation wouldn't support him for whatever reason. I've read a lof ot South Koreans are really angry at the federation and don't blame Ahn at all.
As for the American, he left the US because the sport he's competing in doesn't get a lot of funding there. He is married to a Russian though so he does have some ties to his new country.
Don't blame Russia for getting these athletes when their home country wouldn't support them, blame their home country. I'm sure both of them would have prefered to compete for South Korea and the US respectively but there is only so far you can go when it comes to allegiance to a country.
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
The South Korean left his country because the short track federation wouldn't support him for whatever reason. I've read a lof ot South Koreans are really angry at the federation and don't blame Ahn at all.
As for the American, he left the US because the sport he's competing in doesn't get a lot of funding there. He is married to a Russian though so he does have some ties to his new country.
Don't blame Russia for getting these athletes when their home country wouldn't support them, blame their home country. I'm sure both of them would have prefered to compete for South Korea and the US respectively but there is only so far you can go when it comes to allegiance to a country.
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Im not blaming Russia  I like Russia, speak Russian, and actually dont think Putin is that bad of a guy I just think it was a definite part of the Russian strategy for bringing more gold medals, which is supported by the fact that half of them come from Ahn and Wild.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
You are from US, you have no right to talk about this, hun, when your country is the most well known for doing it.
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In terms of ranking overall the U.S. has more or less been the same as always/has improved much since the 90s. Tell me the last time Germany, whether it be East/West Germany or united Germany has placed out of the top 3 in a winter olympics. Youll be going back to the 1968 winter olympic games. So, yes Germany being outside of top 3 is an irregularity and a flop considering their winter olympic legacy in the games.
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Well yes, but that strategy wouldn't have worked if Ahn and Wild had actually been supported by their respective countries and federations.
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
Im not blaming Russia I like Russia, speak Russian, and actually dont think Putin is that bad of a guy I just think it was a definite part of the Russian strategy for bringing more gold medals, which is supported by the fact that half of them come from Ahn and Wild.
In terms of ranking overall the U.S. has more or less been the same as always/has improved much since the 90s. Tell me the last time Germany, whether it be East/West Germany or united Germany has placed out of the top 3 in a winter olympics. Youll be going back to the 1968 winter olympic games. So, yes Germany being outside of top 3 is an irregularity and a flop considering their winter olympic legacy in the games. |
Germany was worse this time, but still did great (today they won silver and bronze in giant slalom, btw).
But thats not what I have been referring to. I was talking about this:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-birth-nation/
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...migrants_N.htm
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
Germany has been a huge flop this olympics
Also, @ Russia getting half of its gold medals from an American and South Korean who emigrated basically just for Olympic glory. Wonder how much money Russians threw at them (Victor Ahn with 3 gold models Vic wild with 1 and probably adding another today for Parallel Slalom) |
Victor Ahn was basically kicked out by the Koreans when after he started partying too much then got injured. They thought their progeam was deep enough not to need him. He competes for Russia from his own free will and not because of money
The other chose to compete for Russia because his wife is and he fell in the love with the country
Stop sounding pressed. Russia has worked hard to peak at their own Olymoics, just like canadians did in Vancouver, the Chinese did in Beijing and probably then Brazilians will in Rio.
Why not give credit where it is due?
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Originally posted by Concrete
Victor Ahn was basically kicked out by javascript:void(0)the Koreans when after he started partying too much then got injured. They thought their progeam was deep enough not to need him. He competes for Russia from his own free will and not because of money
The other chose to compete for Russia because his wife is and he fell in the love with the country
Stop sounding pressed. Russia has worked hard to peak at their own Olymoics, just like canadians did in Vancouver, the Chinese did in Beijing and probably then Brazilians will in Rio.
Why not give credit where it is due?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/sp...ssia.html?_r=0 For Victor Ahn and choosing a country.
Also, Vick Wild does have a Russian wife but in order to retain him his benefits have extended far beyond just olympic support; the Russians have been treating him very well.
I have spent my time in Russia and it is just a big that with how nationalist the country can be is that half their medals would come from American and South Korean born and raised athletes. I have given Russia their credit, I think they are the 2nd greatest nation in this world and their culture is so rich, but its funny to me. Youre taking my statements way too seriously Im not pressed, I love Russia and will possibly be working in Moscow again next year.
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/sp...ssia.html?_r=0 For Victor Ahn and choosing a country.
Also, Vick Wild does have a Russian wife but in order to retain him his benefits have extended far beyond just olympic support; the Russians have been treating him very well.
I have spent my time in Russia and it is just a big that with how nationalist the country can be is that half their medals would come from American and South Korean born and raised athletes. I have given Russia their credit, I think they are the 2nd greatest nation in this world and their culture is so rich, but its funny to me. Youre taking my statements way too seriously Im not pressed, I love Russia and will possibly be working in Moscow again next year.
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You sounded a bit pressed, that's all. It's no biggy, I agree. I just don't think it's fair to point fingers when he last few Olympics have seen the host nations collect more medals than ever before. I also don't see anything wrong with the Russians treating Wild so well either  Someone ought to....
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Wrong. You clearly dont know how the new judging system works.
It is possible to cheat, but one judge is not enough to do that, because the top and bottom extreme scores are dropped and two more scores are dropped at random, so there is 9 judges, but only the scores average of 5 judges will determine the outcome of competitions.
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I know. The mess in 2002 was a catalyst for the change. That French judge allegedly colluded with the Russians then (and maybe others, as many of them voted the same as she), but that was never proven and only she was held responsible from that panel. Remember that 4 other judges also voted for the Russians, but we're never accused of foul play. I quoted the part of the article that alluded to the fact that the Russians may have been involved and like in 2002, it's obvious that others have to had voted their way and knowing which scores were dropped at "at random" is a the best way to get better insight into the issue. If that score was kept, then yes, that one score should be enough to overturn the outcome just like it was then because it could've been a gamechanger like the French judge's was back then. Shouldn't matter if others voted the same too and scores are dropped then averaged
One question: do you think if the Korean delegation were to make an inquiry and it was proven that a judge was corrupt but their score was dropped, they would or should upgrade yuna to gold? I think they would regardless and it's the right thing to do. That's what I was getting at
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Yuna Kim was robbed. What a shame. The judging was embarrassing.
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Toronto dropped out of the 2024 race, which means Calgary or Quebec City should be good for the 2026 games. |
Ugh.. I wanted toronto to have the next Olympics in Canada 
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Another 2 gold medals for The Netherlands 
That makes us #5
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Another 2 gold medals for The Netherlands
That makes us #5 |
When will the others
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Another 2 gold medals for The Netherlands
That makes us #5 |
Just watched it, TOTAL domination.
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