[Blatboy]

Originally posted by Newt

OMGGGG are you not reading what I wrote??? You choose what you want to identify as, no one is saying eliminate gender roles let me exit this nonsense

Except people are.

[Speezy]

They should have let things come naturally for this child

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Blatboy

I think I'm confusing you, and for that I apologize. I love freedom of gender expression. I myself want to be a drag queen. The posts I was referring to were the ones about gender roles being eliminated. A lot of people conform to those and that shouldn't be taken away from them, but gender-fluid types of people should also be mainstream accepted. Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

True. I also think that the current gender roles is a piece of **** as well though.

[Vin]

Sometimes, it is the parent's fault.



...Vin

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Speezy

They should have let things come naturally for this child

Thats impossible when you grow up in a world like today

[judaskills]

Originally posted by Blatboy

Just because you don't want to conform to gender roles, doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to. People should be allowed to express their gender in any way they want to, and that includes the everyday cisgender masculine male and feminine female that everyone has grown to hate because it isn't cool anymore.

We're not saying we hate them I actually like really macho guys... as long as they aren't interfering with how others act/express themselves. I'm saying the ideology that woman should do dishes for example and that men should mow lawns is outdated.

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by judaskills

We're not saying we hate them I actually like really macho guys... as long as they aren't interfering with how others act/express themselves. I'm saying the ideology that woman should do dishes for example and that men should mow lawns is outdated.

T H I S

I do like my self a macho guy as well As long as he isn't too rigid like not being accepting of others then I use

[Ichinaru19]

judaskills wraps it up quite nicely in words that I couldn't say so

[judaskills]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

T H I S

I do like my self a macho guy as well As long as he isn't too rigid like not being accepting of others then I use

You and me both.

[Blatboy]

Originally posted by judaskills

We're not saying we hate them I actually like really macho guys... as long as they aren't interfering with how others act/express themselves. I'm saying the ideology that woman should do dishes for example and that men should mow lawns is outdated.

But I'm not saying that's okay at all

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Blatboy

But I'm not saying that's okay at all

You were giving of the vibes to be honest

[Blatboy]

What I realize from the last page or say is that we all agree with each other for the most part anyway and none of us discriminate against those you don't follow the gender binary so that's all that matter. let us eat cake <3

[Blatboy]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

You were giving of the vibes to be honest

You were giving me vibes too sis

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Blatboy

What I realize from the last page or say is that we all agree with each other for the most part anyway and none of us discriminate against those you don't follow the gender binary so that's all that matter. let us eat cake <3

Yeah I think for the most part we agree with each other

[Bathomet]

Originally posted by Artemisia

I don't see what's wrong with this? What's with the stupid comments in here? This isn't 'Tumblr' or a 'social experiment'. All they are doing is not forcing a gender identity on their son and letting him form one is his own.

They actually forcing two gender indentities on him at once, which can be confusing and damaging. Gender identity is a social construct, you can't say "I'm raising my children in a gender neutral way" and doing this. These toys and clothes will still have meaning, which is determined by our culture. If a tutu or a Barbie would completely lost its social meaning, you could say you raise your child ina gender neautral way, but as long as a Barbie is widely considered a girls toy, you are actually forcing gender idenities on them. No child is not raised in a isolated family enviroment, they have the school, the media and their peers who will constantly remind them of gender stereotypes, so tyring to be gender neutral wont work unless our culture changes.

[Cain]

Uhm, doesn't he have preferences?

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Blatboy

What I realize from the last page or say is that we all agree with each other for the most part anyway and none of us discriminate against those you don't follow the gender binary so that's all that matter. let us eat cake <3

Originally posted by Bathomet

They actually forcing two gender indentities on him at once, which can be confusing and damaging. Gender identity is social construct, you can't say "I'm raising my children in a gender neutral way" and doing this. These toys and clothes will still have meaning, which is determined by our culture. If a tutu or a Barbie would completely lost its social meaning, you could say you raise your child ina gender neautral way, but as long as a Barbie is widely considered a girls toy, you are actually forcing gender idenities on them. No child is not raised in a isolated family enviroment, they have the school, the media and their peers who will constantly remind them of gender stereotypes, so tyring to be gender neutral wont work unless our culture changes.

Agreed.

I think if you wanted to be gender neutral then you definitely shouldn't be putting him in a tutu. There are gender neutral toys out there, but yes society would have to change

[Blatboy]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

Agreed.

I think if you wanted to be gender neutral then you definitely shouldn't be putting him in a tutu. There are gender neutral toys out there, but yes society would have to change

I didn't even think of that. Yeah, a tutu is for sure the opposite of gender neutral

[J03Y]

Originally posted by ZachM

It's not ignorant, I wasn't saying limit him to one or the other. Like take him to the store and let him pick or buy an equal amount of both and let him choose which ones he wants to play with? I don't see how that's ignorant at all. You're very quick to toss around that word.

I'm not actually? Ask anyone on this forum, hell anyone of my friends and family, i'm not. There's just a clear distinction about what's right and what's wrong in discussions like this and most people coming into this thread who disagree with what the parents are doing deliver ignorant arguments like assuming it's a matter of not giving the boy an identity or the fact that he's not being treated to gender roles.

I may have misread your post, and I can apologize for that, but please don't assum me for the type who throws a word around. I am the least likely to do so in this thread, you're the one assuming just because I'm adding on to the debate that agrees with these parents it obviously means i'm one to throw judgements around.

[Flare]

Originally posted by Bathomet

They actually forcing two gender indentities on him at once, which can be confusing and damaging. Gender identity is a social construct, you can't say "I'm raising my children in a gender neutral way" and doing this. These toys and clothes will still have meaning, which is determined by our culture. If a tutu or a Barbie would completely lost its social meaning, you could say you raise your child ina gender neautral way, but as long as a Barbie is widely considered a girls toy, you are actually forcing gender idenities on them. No child is not raised in a isolated family enviroment, they have the school, the media and their peers who will constantly remind them of gender stereotypes, so tyring to be gender neutral wont work unless our culture changes.

I agree
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