[Adir]

Britney and Beyonce are the most legendary Pop stars. Britney is more legendary though.

[kingmichael]

Britney is an icon. Her huge peak and she is the symbol of pop music and pop culture from the late 90s and the 2000s. Beyonce is a legend. Her impact influence lomgevity and the respect she commands. And she still is a huge cultural force now.

[Superpower]

I came in here expecting a smart conversation but I should've known better

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by kingmichael

Britney is an icon. Her huge peak and she is the symbol of pop music and pop culture from the late 90s and the 2000s. Beyonce is a legend. Her impact influence lomgevity and the respect she commands. And she still is a huge cultural force now.

Lol.

Look at Marilyn Monroe. Elvis Presley. Princess Diana. Michael Jackson. INDISPUTABLE legends of pop culture, and ask yourself who's story is closer to theirs? Britney (Extreme Success, Huge Downfall, Media Firestorm, Everyone knows her story)? or Beyonce (Extreme Success)?

Britney is the Marilyn to Beyonce's Kate Hepburn
She is the Princess Diana to Beyonce's Princess Fergie
She is the Michael Jackson to Beyonce's Prince.
She is the Lucille Ball to Beyonce's Vivian Vance

Now siT.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by bijonse

Britney Spears was a teen idol like Justin Bieber or One Direction today and her stans seem to have on rose colored glasses thinking that her fame in those 3 or 4 years and the media attention that she got during her breakdown made her a legend. It didn't. Her music is not legendary, her image is not original and the only people looking up to her are her fellow Disney stars.

Beyoncé isn't all the way there yet but give her time and she will be at the rate she's going

I cried. You realize how heavily Beyonce's image has been based off of Jennifer Lopez, Tina Turner, Diana Ross, etc.? On the flip side, Britney made the Lolita aspect a viable music image by mixing it with Madonna-esque controversy and Jackson-esque choreography. You're literally bashing someone who has added to the zeitgeist to defend someone who has added nothing

As for only inspiring Disney girls, I could give you a list of WW stars if you want, but to save space we'll just mention Beyonce's 2006 VMA performance.

[HappyDust]

the arguments

Brit & Bey are the most iconic girls of their generation, and they're both will be remembered.

[Havoc]

Originally posted by Eternium

Not you all acting like Britney was done in 2005, though. Her 2007 meltdown had more cultural impact than anything anyone else in the 2000s has done. .

LMAO!! How is this even a good thing? Her having a meltdown doesn't make her a legend, it just makes her a joke.

[PULSE.]

Beyonce is the only Legend.

[°ColdFire°]

Britney is remembered as pop music legend because she had biggest peak since Madonna and MJ.
100 million albums > 30M Bey's
100 million singles
Her perfumes sales
10 WW no.1
26 WW top 10 hits
2 Diamond albums in US
400+ awards.
So many iconic and legendary performance (Slave, Oops!, Gimme, ...BOMT)
VMA Vanguard award, she has most iconic and best videos...
Writing skills.
One of the best dancers since MJ.
Huge tours.
Huge media attention.
Few Guinness records.
Most photographed woman in history.
Biggest debut 1st week sales for female artist.
ETC.
One and only BRITNEY SPEARS.

[kingmichael]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

Lol.

Look at Marilyn Monroe. Elvis Presley. Princess Diana. Michael Jackson. INDISPUTABLE legends of pop culture, and ask yourself who's story is closer to theirs? Britney (Extreme Success, Huge Downfall, Media Firestorm, Everyone knows her story)? or Beyonce (Extreme Success)?

Britney is the Marilyn to Beyonce's Kate Hepburn
She is the Princess Diana to Beyonce's Princess Fergie
She is the Michael Jackson to Beyonce's Prince.
She is the Lucille Ball to Beyonce's Vivian Vance

Now siT.

Thats true her story is similiar to those people. But not all legends require an epic downfall. But as it stands now idk few people who regard her as a legend but beyonce on the other hand i hear it more and more. I think beys lack ot a downfall is a strength. Oprah is a huge pop culture legend and she has never had an epic downfall.

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by kingmichael

Thats true her story is similiar to those people. But not all legends require an epic downfall. But as it stands now idk few people who regard her as a legend but beyonce on the other hand i hear it more and more. I think beys lack ot a downfall is a strength. Oprah is a huge pop culture legend and she has never had an epic downfall.

Marilyn, Elvis, and Michael were regarded as jokes up till the moment they died. Not that Britney is now, but the public will come to see her in the same light imo.

When Beyonce dies, she will be remembered like Kate Hepburn, Greta Garbo, etc. Talented. Beautiful. Successful. But nothing interesting that would capture the public's imagination or have movies made about their lives/impersonators recreating their essences years later.



And Oprah is a legend for breaking so many barriers. She became the first black self-made billionaire and is basically a female version of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs.

Musicians usually don't get that type of treatment, though. People idolize the imperfect rock star/movie star with faults as big as their successes.

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by Bie

Lol no, Bey's music is not more memorable than Britney's. Bey's memorable songs are Listen, Halo, Crazy In Love. Even Single Ladies is almost forgettable. Britney has a lot of memorable songs, Toxic, OIDIA, BOMT, Slave, Everytime, ... Those songs have helps from their music video and performance also.

Beyonce will need one or two more eras to become a legend and she will def be There.

Britney's recurrent airplay

BRITNEY SPEARS Toxic: 1.142
BRITNEY SPEARS I Wanna Go: 0.197
BRITNEY SPEARS Till The World Ends: 0.147
BRITNEY SPEARS Womanizer: 0.041
BRITNEY SPEARS Hold It Against Me: 0.026
BRITNEY SPEARS I'm A Slave 4 U (2005 Remix): 0.022
BRITNEY SPEARS Circus: 0.019
BRITNEY SPEARS Everytime: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Baby, One More Time: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Oops...I Did It Again: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS (You Drive Me) Crazy: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS I'm A Slave 4 U: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Lucky: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Gimme More: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Sometimes: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Piece Of Me: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Break The Ice: 0

Beyonce's recurrent airplay


BEYONCE Crazy In Love: 2.197
BEYONCE Irreplaceable: 1.542
BEYONCE Halo: 1.518
BEYONCE Single Ladies (Put A Ring...): 1.246
BEYONCE Love On Top: 1.099
BEYONCE Baby Boy f/Sean Paul: 0.312
BEYONCE Me, Myself, And I: 0.310
BEYONCE F/JAY-Z Deja Vu: 0.191
LADY GAGA Telephone f/Beyonce: 0.152
BEYONCE Best Thing I Never Had: 0.15
BEYONCE Naughty Girl: 0.091
BEYONCE Get Me Bodied: 0.079
BEYONCE Upgrade U f/Jay-Z: 0.06
BEYONCE Dance For You: 0.049
BEYONCE Diva: 0.037
BEYONCE Sweet Dreams: 0.028
BEYONCE Dangerously In Love 2: 0.02
BEYONCE Ego: 0.019
BEYONCE If I Were A Boy: 0.014
BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim Thug: 0.01
BEYONCE Beautiful Liar f/Shakira: 0
BEYONCE Ring The Alarm: 0

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by DG1

Beyoncé is a legend. Britney is not, she's more like a teen/pre-teen idol a la Justin Bieber.

pretty much this.

[Timber]

Originally posted by PULSE.

Britney's recurrent airplay

BRITNEY SPEARS Everytime: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Baby, One More Time: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Oops...I Did It Again: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS (You Drive Me) Crazy: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS I'm A Slave 4 U: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Lucky: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Gimme More: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Sometimes: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Piece Of Me: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Break The Ice: 0

Beyonce's recurrent airplay


BEYONCE Crazy In Love: 2.197
BEYONCE Irreplaceable: 1.542
BEYONCE Halo: 1.518
BEYONCE Single Ladies (Put A Ring...): 1.246
BEYONCE Love On Top: 1.099
BEYONCE Baby Boy f/Sean Paul: 0.312
BEYONCE Me, Myself, And I: 0.310
BEYONCE F/JAY-Z Deja Vu: 0.191
LADY GAGA Telephone f/Beyonce: 0.152
BEYONCE Best Thing I Never Had: 0.15
BEYONCE Naughty Girl: 0.091
BEYONCE Get Me Bodied: 0.079
BEYONCE Upgrade U f/Jay-Z: 0.06
BEYONCE Dance For You: 0.049
BEYONCE Diva: 0.037
BEYONCE Sweet Dreams: 0.028
BEYONCE Dangerously In Love 2: 0.02
BEYONCE Ego: 0.019
BEYONCE If I Were A Boy: 0.014
BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim Thug: 0.01
BEYONCE Beautiful Liar f/Shakira: 0
BEYONCE Ring The Alarm: 0

Makes sense though. Just like how they won't be playing Justin Bieber's music in 10 years.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by Havoc

LMAO!! How is this even a good thing? Her having a meltdown doesn't make her a legend, it just makes her a joke.

If she wasn't a legend, why would she have that level of cultural permeation? Why wouldn't it be someone else? Why hasn't anyone been able to replicate that kind of media fixture in the past 7 years? The problem is ATRL focuses too much on positive PR because it drives sales, but while negative PR does alienate the general public from buying records, it does increase notoriety and push social boundaries forward.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by PULSE.

Britney's recurrent airplay

BRITNEY SPEARS Toxic: 1.142
BRITNEY SPEARS I Wanna Go: 0.197
BRITNEY SPEARS Till The World Ends: 0.147
BRITNEY SPEARS Womanizer: 0.041
BRITNEY SPEARS Hold It Against Me: 0.026
BRITNEY SPEARS I'm A Slave 4 U (2005 Remix): 0.022
BRITNEY SPEARS Circus: 0.019
BRITNEY SPEARS Everytime: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Baby, One More Time: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Oops...I Did It Again: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS (You Drive Me) Crazy: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS I'm A Slave 4 U: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Lucky: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Gimme More: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Sometimes: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Piece Of Me: 0
BRITNEY SPEARS Break The Ice: 0

Beyonce's recurrent airplay


BEYONCE Crazy In Love: 2.197
BEYONCE Irreplaceable: 1.542
BEYONCE Halo: 1.518
BEYONCE Single Ladies (Put A Ring...): 1.246
BEYONCE Love On Top: 1.099
BEYONCE Baby Boy f/Sean Paul: 0.312
BEYONCE Me, Myself, And I: 0.310
BEYONCE F/JAY-Z Deja Vu: 0.191
LADY GAGA Telephone f/Beyonce: 0.152
BEYONCE Best Thing I Never Had: 0.15
BEYONCE Naughty Girl: 0.091
BEYONCE Get Me Bodied: 0.079
BEYONCE Upgrade U f/Jay-Z: 0.06
BEYONCE Dance For You: 0.049
BEYONCE Diva: 0.037
BEYONCE Sweet Dreams: 0.028
BEYONCE Dangerously In Love 2: 0.02
BEYONCE Ego: 0.019
BEYONCE If I Were A Boy: 0.014
BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim Thug: 0.01
BEYONCE Beautiful Liar f/Shakira: 0
BEYONCE Ring The Alarm: 0

I stopped trusting radio stats for Beyoncé in 2005 after her payola scandal and Britney in 2004 when we found out she had been radiobanned by Clear Channel for 2004. Is there an accolade you can post that can't be paid for?

[Sunshine.]

Originally posted by Eternium

If she wasn't a legend, why would she have that level of cultural permeation? Why wouldn't it be someone else? Why hasn't anyone been able to replicate that kind of media fixture in the past 7 years? The problem is ATRL focuses too much on positive PR because it drives sales, but while negative PR does alienate the general public from buying records, it does increase notoriety and push social boundaries forward.

But negative PR doesn't make you a "legend"...

[Sunshine.]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

Marilyn, Elvis, and Michael were regarded as jokes up till the moment they died. Not that Britney is now, but the public will come to see her in the same light imo.

When Beyonce dies, she will be remembered like Kate Hepburn, Greta Garbo, etc. Talented. Beautiful. Successful. But nothing interesting that would capture the public's imagination or have movies made about their lives/impersonators recreating their essences years later.



And Oprah is a legend for breaking so many barriers. She became the first black self-made billionaire and is basically a female version of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs.

Musicians usually don't get that type of treatment, though. People idolize the imperfect rock star/movie star with faults as big as their successes.

A tragic case is not a pre-requisite for becoming a legend, nor is it particularly useful in Britney's case. Maybe if she had started out not making bubblegum pop... but she did...

Marilyn is referenced for her beauty and her early feminists stance.
Elvis is a respected musican.
Michael is a celebrated performer, innovator, and barrier-breaker.

While they were regarded as jokes at some point, they were also revered to a large degree. Britney isn't referenced for her beauty or her strong feminist stance. She wasn't/isn't/won't be regarded as a respected musician. She also isn't a celebrated performer, innovator, or barrier-breaker.

But guess who has all these qualities? Beyoncé.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by Sunshine.

But negative PR doesn't make you a "legend"...

My post is stating the her cultural permeation made her a legend. No matter the state of her PR, she still had a more significant cultural impact than anyone else in the 2000s has had and that's an undeniable fact.


And for the record, I think Beyoncé is a legend as well. But the notion that somehow Beyoncé would be more legendary than Britney when she's still playing catch up to Britney's five years of intense activity despite being in the game 17 years with 10 studio albums is ridiculous.

[Soda Pop Queen]

I think they've both achieved icon status. It took Bey a little longer because she started in a group around the time Britney got a solo deal. I think it was definitely cemented when the Single Ladies video became a phenomena and the phrase "Put A Ring On It" became part of popular vernacular. She's had similar brushes with that before with DC's 'Bootylicious' and she was popular when she went solo but was ultimately propelled to another mainstream level during her third era. Of course, Britney become a pop culture staple when the video for Baby One More Time hit the tvs. So in 2014, both of them are bonafide icons now...

Are they legends?

I know who I think is currently on a better path to become one but I'll wait to determine that in another 10 years. By then, both of their careers will be 20+ years which is one of my standards for consideration.

Regarding these replies, there are a whole lot of delusions and tunnel vision talk going on. Some of y'alls criteria suck ass