[boodytay]

She's singing Burn with Ellie.

[tigerlily13]

Yall always do the most

[Florencia]

Ellie Goulding is now on stage with Taylor in London! They're performing "Burn" together!

[thediscomonkey]

Not Ellie again. And I thought She'd brought some legend.

Originally posted by Jaspurr

LONG LIVE

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YAS!

[boodytay]

HDD posted the final numbers and she's not in the top 50, which means that she sold less than 5,878 this week. 4 million next week hopefully

[CountryFriedChick]

All I care about is the debut on the chart. 2 more weeks and I can add it to the Billboard 200 wiki chart

[anticore]

Originally posted by CountryFriedChick

Why do you think that is though? People see her as a former teen artist trying to become more popular just like those two. If she didn't work with Max Martin then she wouldn't be discussed and thus her love life and the rumors wouldn't be known there and thus no one would have anything to hate about her.

I don't blame MM for this. Yes he made her more popular, but that's nothing related with the hate. MM works with tons of artists and none of them is geting the same hate with Taylor Swift. People think she can't sing and her songs is mostly about ex bf's that's why they think she's trash. Yes that's related with being a former teen artist, and also that's directly related with herself, since she choose to write mostly about her love life and she couldn'rt manage her image especially at the beginnig of Red era till the breakup with that 1D guy. MM choice only might be negative for the critics, for GP, i'm not sure most of the people even know his name, so he's not a good or bad factor.

[WayTooHonest13]

Originally posted by anticore

People think she can't sing and her songs is mostly about ex bf's that's why they think she's trash.

but not a lot of people think this outside of atrl.

[thediscomonkey]

Originally posted by anticore

I don't blame MM for this. Yes he made her more popular, but that's nothing related with the hate. MM works with tons of artists and none of them is geting the same hate with Taylor Swift. People think she can't sing and her songs is mostly about ex bf's that's why they think she's trash. Yes that's related with being a former teen artist, and also that's directly related with herself, since she choose to write mostly about her love life and she couldn'rt manage her image especially at the beginnig of Red era till the breakup with that 1D guy. MM choice only might be negative for the critics, for GP, i'm not sure most of the people even know his name, so he's not a good or bad factor.

People think MM ruined Taylor..... while MM is seen as saviour of PRISM. That's telling enough. At some circles, She's seen as saviour of mainstream music already.

[Hunter_13]

Ellie, ha! Knew it!

[CountryFriedChick]

Originally posted by thediscomonkey

People think MM ruined Taylor..... while MM is seen as saviour of PRISM. That's telling enough. At some circles, She's seen as saviour of mainstream music already.

Her music has been for awhile.

[thediscomonkey]

But seriously..... Ellie is not a "GREAT" guest. And it's "Burn" instead of "Figure 8". Taylor, get your hype-maker team together.

[anticore]

Originally posted by thediscomonkey

1/3 will love you no matter what
1/3 will hate you no matter what
1/3 just DGAF

Last year, that 1/3 was just so loud that it overpowered the other 2/3.

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How the hell you come up with me not wanting any changes?! If anything, I've always wanted Her to be more adventurous. But NOT when you are completely changing yourself just to sell more. That's utter ********.

She has never done anything wrong other than some PR stunts. So why care about ******** claims? She knows the truth. We knows the truth. That 1/3 will keep hating and making excuses. Even if She became something against their original claims, they would keep find new excuses.

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How well Her career will translate over next decades >>>>>>>>> your standom.

Please know which ones are good for Her and which ones are not.

Of course people would lump Her together with Miley & Bieber. She has never released Her well-written songs as singles. The hatred in LP2 era was a little undeserved, only that one I'd agree. Just because She's young doesn't mean She made teeny bopper tunes (which can't be said anymore after LP4). If She actually promoted Her much better written songs, She'd have gotten the respect She deserves. Just look at the ATW @ Scammys' receptions.

And let's not act like you're the only one getting the side-eyes for enjoying Her music now. You think I don't get ***** every now and then from some folks? Psh. Don't be so thin-skinned and you know the truth, why don't you debunk their false claims? Are you a stan or casual fan?

Bolded part is the part i mostly disagree with you. I believe in her for LP5. We'll see.

''How well Her career will translate over next decades''

This is directly related with her fanbase. While she's getting old, her fanbase also is getting old too. If she can keep them with her and/or if she can gain some other fans from the older people, is the real question. But let's be honest, if she's singing the same stuff 10 years from now, even if she's working with different good producers and even if they're good written songs, that won't help her career at all.

And i always try to convert the haters to the fans, believe me , i know it sounds a bit cooky but at least for the country where i'm living in, i'm one of those hardest fans working for her right now. But the problem is as i said before, regardless of how much you try, since the haters are more than the fans or they are just too loud, it doesn't work so much. You may gain 5 fans, but at the same time 10 people start to dislike her .

[CountryFriedChick]

The way I see it for you to become a legend the music must be something that can be passed down from generation to generation. If your parents liked something and then they show you and you like it. That is what makes it important. Working with Max Martin is not gonna produce that timeless music that can move from generation to generation imo.

[WayTooHonest13]

I will raise my children according to The Lord's Gospels Enchanted and SacRED.

[Ripedie254]

The fact that we're more concerned with her music transcending generations rather than getting hits.

Most other stans would be like YAASSSS MAX MARTIN YASSSSS GET THOSE FLEETING RADIO HITS YAASSSS

[CountryFriedChick]

Originally posted by WayTooHonest13

I will raise my children according to The Lord's Gospels Enchanted and SacRED.

Yes

Originally posted by Ripedie254

The fact that we're more concerned with her music transcending generations rather than getting hits.

Most other stans would be like YAASSSS MAX MARTIN YASSSSS GET THOSE FLEETING RADIO HITS YAASSSS

IKR. Something that has always made me proud of this fanbase

[anticore]

Originally posted by thediscomonkey

People think MM ruined Taylor..... while MM is seen as saviour of PRISM. That's telling enough. At some circles, She's seen as saviour of mainstream music already.

I honestly didn't see anywhere people thinking MM ruined Taylor Swift except the music related forums (like ATRL or Goldderby) or blogs. People even don't know his name at all. Same applies for Katy Perry.

Taylor will be a respected artist in the future regardless of today. Every artist who won some awards or who achieved something and who got some sort of recognition in the past becomes respected even if they sucked with their later albums. Taylor already got some recognition, even if she retires today, she'll be remembered as a great artist of the 2010s in 2040s or 2050s. People respect older people more.

[thediscomonkey]

Originally posted by anticore

Bolded part is the part i mostly disagree with you. I believe in her for LP5. We'll see.

''How well Her career will translate over next decades''

This is directly related with her fanbase. While she's getting old, her fanbase also is getting old too. If she can keep them with her and/or if she can gain some other fans from the older people, is the real question. But let's be honest, if she's singing the same stuff 10 years from now, even if she's working with different good producers and even if they're good written songs, that won't help her career at all.

And i always try to convert the haters to the fans, believe me , i know it sounds a bit cooky but at least for the country where i'm living in, i'm one of those hardest fans working for her right now. But the problem is as i said before, regardless of how much you try, since the haters are more than the fans or they are just too loud, it doesn't work so much. You may gain 5 fans, but at the same time 10 people start to dislike her .

At me bringing my owl to my room and until it pooped here, just for this MGR. Geezus.

Well what happened if the fans that have aged with you, abandoned the ship? You will keep re-starting every era? The answer is, She already did. Just look at the stans here.

Well written songs remain the most important. A little variation is needed surely. But Her material is varied enough already. It seems like you're the one who bought into the myths here.

Meh. Then why should you bother? They will keep doing it regardless what you said or how much She changes. Let them come on their own. It happened once with the one two punch that was Ours/Safe & Sound.

[a_little_sinner]

Disappointed in her London guests. If you're gonna have guests, invite legends for something really noteworthy. A guest every night means nothing if its generic pop stars.

Also i will really be glad if one day before she's middleaged she does a tour that's focused solely on the music, not the spectacle. Even if its to 4-5k people a night, it'd still be a superior tour.

I mean, Freakin Prince is in London and she brings out Ellie.

Up your game, girl. Its getting too much like a generic pop star.