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Why didn't this mess occur when the av was brought up earlier this month? 
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Originally posted by Tennis Court
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
There is obvious sexual intent in this avi as well |
Because he's not wearing a shirt?
You're taking this to the most literal extreme. Our intent was to get rid of sexually explicit avatars, not everything that could remotely be skewed as sexual.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Because he's not wearing a shirt?
You're taking this to the most literal extreme. Our intent was to get rid of sexually explicit avatars, not everything that could remotely be skewed as sexual.
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Exactly. It's not a black-and-white X is explicit and Y is not; there is not some solid line at which we say "okay, there's a shirt off here, everything this bad or worse is totally 100% banned". There are different standards for different situations and avatars.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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I hope my recent report will be taken care of.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
Male nudity and female nudity are different. That's society for you - it's not sexist of the moderating team to recognize this difference and we're not going to alter policy because of it, but feel free to take it up with society as a whole (and please nobody try to turn this into a moral debate or anything, because on principle I think the blonde lady avi is fine, but the reality is that it is not allowed). Borntodiethisway's avi is not in any way graphic or explicit enough to warrant removal; because of the different standards wider society places upon women regarding nudity, the blonde woman avatar is "graphic" enough to warrant removal. By the same token, due to societal standards that are entirely out of control of myself and the rest of the moderating team, ISOH's avatar has been deemed too suggestive to be appropriate for ATRL and BTDTW's has not. That is literally all the explanation and arguing I can give you.
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Applying different standards to men and women is sexist. Not allowing the blonde avi is sexist. Just because society is that way, doesn't ATRL has to be. Tbh, I'm not anti-risque avi's, but I call it like I see it.
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I had nothing to do with banning that avatar. Personally, I don't see the problem with it, but other mods did and I respect their decision.
Again, I'm not sure why anyone on ATRL feels such an intense need to have half-naked models in their avatars, though. There are plenty of other places on the Internet where you can indulge in that.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
Exactly. It's not a black-and-white X is explicit and Y is not; there is not some solid line at which we say "okay, there's a shirt off here, everything this bad or worse is totally 100% banned". There are different standards for different situations and avatars.
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You applied the same standard for both the blonde avi, and BTDTW's and came to different conclusions. That was the issue.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
You applied the same standard for both the blonde avi, and BTDTW's and came to different conclusions. That was the issue.
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No, it was not. They are NOT exactly the same and they have not been treated as though they are.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Applying different standards to men and women is sexist. Not allowing the blonde avi is sexist. Just because society is that way, doesn't ATRL has to be. Tbh, I'm not anti-risque avi's, but I call it like I see it.
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It is society that has defined what is explicit and what is not; I just stick by my interpretation of that. I think both should be allowed just fine and I'm all for complete equality of the sexes, but the simple reality is that one avatar is too suggestive and one really isn't. I have nothing further to say on the matter.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
You applied the same standard for both the blonde avi, and BTDTW's and came to different conclusions. That was the issue.
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We're also different mods with different opinions. We all follow the same guidelines and try to be consistent with each other, but this is a subjective job. Sometimes we come to different conclusions.
Just like how you see injustice in everything we do while we think we're being pretty fair. But that's life.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by supaspaz
We're also different mods with different opinions. We all follow the same guidelines and try to be consistent with each other, but this is a subjective job. Sometimes we come to different conclusions.
Just like how you see injustice in everything we do while we think we're being pretty fair. But that's life.
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Exactly. And in this case, I wasn't even the only person contributing to the discussion when the blonde girl's avatar, and I never involved my own personal viewpoint on that one. If this were a site I owned and was responsible for then hey, go for it, you know? But it's not, and I'm just doing my job the way I interpret things and that's exactly what you're doing, too. 
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Mess at there being a sexism war going on in here. The girl avatar did show off her butt, but I've seen SO much worse in terms of guys.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
I hope my recent report will be taken care of.
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Just checked. That was quick, lolz. Thanx!
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 12/7/2011
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They don't expire until March, I should of listened to my reminder. 
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Member Since: 12/14/2011
Posts: 21,274
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
lol at crying to the mods over my avi. It's not even that serious.
And if I'm not mistaken, that very same member sent me a friend req. the other day, which I denied.
Any way;
Can I just edit out that part or...?
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Icy.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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And I want Kang BANNED for promoting drug use in his custom title.
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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Originally posted by supaspaz
I had nothing to do with banning that avatar. Personally, I don't see the problem with it, but other mods did and I respect their decision.
Again, I'm not sure why anyone on ATRL feels such an intense need to have half-naked models in their avatars, though. There are plenty of other places on the Internet where you can indulge in that.
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I know Katie did it.
And it's how we want to express ourselves and whatever. And y'all can stop using that "other places on the internet" thing, because we're not using it to get off to, we're just expressing ourselves. I'm a straight female so I'm not indulging in my old avi sexually.
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Originally posted by Retro
No, it was not. They are NOT exactly the same and they have not been treated as though they are.
It is society that has defined what is explicit and what is not; I just stick by my interpretation of that. I think both should be allowed just fine and I'm all for complete equality of the sexes, but the simple reality is that one avatar is too suggestive and one really isn't. I have nothing further to say on the matter.
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Still sexist because you're acting on sexist society's sexist definition of explicit.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Mess at there being a sexism war going on in here. The girl avatar did show off her butt, but I've seen SO much worse in terms of guys.
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If you see worse, report it. We're not just going to sit on our hands if it's a guy in the avatar - we will evaluate whether it's too suggestive and if so, the member who holds it will be asked to change it just like ISOH and MiMi were. Just ask Borntodiethisway about his last one - it was a guy, and look where that took him!
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 11/1/2010
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Originally posted by Borntodiethisway
I've gotten 5 points for an explicit AVI, so the mods def aren't being bias.  |
nnn sorry about that. It was a long time ago. I luh you like XO now
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by MiMiLamb
Still sexist because you're acting on sexist society's sexist definition of explicit. |
What place am I in to defy the rules of the site because I think that a topless woman isn't offensive? I know my place and I'm not going to change how everything about the rule works to align with my views. Don't accuse me of being sexist or acting in a sexist manner for following instructions the way I believe I am supposed to, and expected by my team to, follow them. 
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Timber 
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