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Fan Base: Archived: Lady Gaga (#2)
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Member Since: 5/30/2012
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Gaga has no humility.
A large proportion of her current predicament is not because people tried to 'use' her or tamper with her artistic vision. Instead, it stems from the fact that in late 2010, she began, as the world's biggest pop star and cultural juggernaut since Britney Spears in 1998, to proclaim her new music as the best album of the decade (almost infamous now, really) and instead released singles which where grating, unpalatable and homo-centric, putting off casual heterosexual listeners, the main demographic purchasing her music and alienating radio.
Born This Way is not personally my cup of tea, however, I respect it as a body of work. It is fearless, intricate and filled to the brim with everything a good pop album should have: hooks, soaring choruses and daring production and melodies. All that said, it took my over two whole years to be able to appreciate it, even if I have been a fan since 2008 until now. How is the general public, notorious for their short attention span and general lack of appreciation for music which defies the norm, going to respond to a body of work, like that? They won't respond at all. They will instead, latch on to the next pop hit that is on power rotation on their music channels and favourite radio station. Needless to say, this is the body of work that she wanted to make, not Interscope, not Troy Carter, her on her own. Interscope would have been more than happy to have a a collection of synth filled tracks about love, laced with subtle sexual metaphors, watered down for radio sitting on their lap.
However, it doesn't start and end with the music. One of the biggest factors that sold Gaga's music was the accompanying videos. In early 2008/09, they were hot, palatable and fun. From mid 2009 to mid 2010, they were daring, edgy yet palatable and interesting. From that point on, her videos were dull, messy and devoid of any real factor that would entice people on YouTube to hit the replay button let alone hear about them by word-of-mouth and run home to search for them. The videos were Gaga's work. She knew what people wanted from her and she did what she wanted to do. Commendable as it may be, the videos were crap, failing to generate interest and more importantly, sell the music.
I have a lot of problems with how promotion was executed from late 2010 to late 2011 but that ultimately was arranged and at most, influenced by Gaga so blame resides with her management.
Basically, Gaga, on the whole, orchestrated the mess that was the Born This Way era and has yet to recover the interest which previously surrounded her career, only slowing down the downward spiral at best. However, instead of wiping away her tears and reigniting her passion for success, she is resorting to pointing the finger at others and taking the post-Bionic attitude of Christina; "my work was too daring, too edgy, the public weren't ready for it, only real fans and music listeners will understand it" but with the additional mentality of you average little monsters.com users; "nobody understand me, people are bullying me" etc.
She knows exactly what she needs to do to reignite interest in her and success but she would rather be seen as 'artsy', 'alternative' and 'the underdog' than accept the fact that she is largely to blame for this mess whenever this so called 'art' has only involved her wearing a dress with the Mona Lisa's face on it, a few references to a painting, mainly pertaining to the hair in it and having actual artists and sculptors paint and model her.
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Member Since: 5/30/2012
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And netiher Dope or Speechless are good. Gaga is yet to have a good ballad to her name, aside from Future Love.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 43,126
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Asking people's opinions doesn't warrant a ban, let alone a permaban 
I just asked for their opinions on the situation... my opinion was that she should end this era right now and take a break and make a comeback once she's fully back to herself again
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Stan a bit 
Lady Jynx>>>>>>> the other flops
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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i love Gaga now and always will but lord i miss the good innocent pop songs she used to serve during The Fame era. Eh Eh is pop perfection and idc who disagrees
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Sooyoung
Gaga has no humility.
A large proportion of her current predicament is not because people tried to 'use' her or tamper with her artistic vision. Instead, it stems from the fact that in late 2010, she began, as the world's biggest pop star and cultural juggernaut since Britney Spears in 1998, to proclaim her new music as the best album of the decade (almost infamous now, really) and instead released singles which where grating, unpalatable and homo-centric, putting off casual heterosexual listeners, the main demographic purchasing her music and alienating radio.
Born This Way is not personally my cup of tea, however, I respect it as a body of work. It is fearless, intricate and filled to the brim with everything a good pop album should have: hooks, soaring choruses and daring production and melodies. All that said, it took my over two whole years to be able to appreciate it, even if I have been a fan since 2008 until now. How is the general public, notorious for their short attention span and general lack of appreciation for music which defies the norm, going to respond to a body of work, like that? They won't respond at all. They will instead, latch on to the next pop hit that is on power rotation on their music channels and favourite radio station. Needless to say, this is the body of work that she wanted to make, not Interscope, not Troy Carter, her on her own. Interscope would have been more than happy to have a a collection of synth filled tracks about love, laced with subtle sexual metaphors, watered down for radio sitting on their lap.
However, it doesn't start and end with the music. One of the biggest factors that sold Gaga's music was the accompanying videos. In early 2008/09, they were hot, palatable and fun. From mid 2009 to mid 2010, they were daring, edgy yet palatable and interesting. From that point on, her videos were dull, messy and devoid of any real factor that would entice people on YouTube to hit the replay button let alone hear about them by word-of-mouth and run home to search for them. The videos were Gaga's work. She knew what people wanted from her and she did what she wanted to do. Commendable as it may be, the videos were crap, failing to generate interest and more importantly, sell the music.
I have a lot of problems with how promotion was executed from late 2010 to late 2011 but that ultimately was arranged and at most, influenced by Gaga so blame resides with her management.
Basically, Gaga, on the whole, orchestrated the mess that was the Born This Way era and has yet to recover the interest which previously surrounded her career, only slowing down the downward spiral at best. However, instead of wiping away her tears and reigniting her passion for success, she is resorting to pointing the finger at others and taking the post-Bionic attitude of Christina; "my work was too daring, too edgy, the public weren't ready for it, only real fans and music listeners will understand it" but with the additional mentality of you average little monsters.com users; "nobody understand me, people are bullying me" etc.
She knows exactly what she needs to do to reignite interest in her and success but she would rather be seen as 'artsy', 'alternative' and 'the underdog' than accept the fact that she is largely to blame for this mess whenever this so called 'art' has only involved her wearing a dress with the Mona Lisa's face on it, a few references to a painting, mainly pertaining to the hair in it and having actual artists and sculptors paint and model her.
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You have a lot of free time on your hands
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Member Since: 5/30/2012
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Originally posted by EnigmaPopstar
You have a lot of free time on your hands
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When you are writing a European Law essay about state liability, free time is abundant.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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RedOne Konvict
Gaga
Oh Ohh yeah
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Just Dance Gaga, it's gonna be ok
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Member Since: 12/7/2010
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I cant @ people wanting her to take a break. It's been less than 6 months since she came back after being gone for 2 years 
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
RedOne Konvict
Gaga
Oh Ohh yeah
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
Just Dance Gaga, it's gonna be ok
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by OnlyManInTheWorld
I cant @ people wanting her to take a break. It's been less than 6 months since she came back after being gone for 2 years |
I know right? Let me go make a 'LEAVE GAGA ALONE' video and post it on Youtube.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by OnlyManInTheWorld
I cant @ people wanting her to take a break. It's been less than 6 months since she came back after being gone for 2 years |
Right?!! 
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Member Since: 12/7/2010
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Originally posted by AlienFugitive
I know right? Let me go make a 'LEAVE GAGA ALONE' video and post it on Youtube.
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She needed 6 months to alienate people.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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BTW would've sold at least double what it did if the music didn't alienate so many people. She was on track to have the biggest album of our generation. But instead, she chose to make music that she was passionate about. She made an album for her die-hard fans instead of for the GP. It was incredibly stupid but also extremely respectable/commendable all at the same time. She risked her career for a project that she knew would help people. You don't have to like it, but you must respect that.
Now she just needs to figure out how to bounce back from an era like that, because ARTPOP certainly didn't do it. I have faith that she can come up with something truly breathtaking again.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by MM3
BTW would've sold at least double what it did if the music didn't alienate so many people. She was on track to have the biggest album of our generation. But instead, she chose to make music that she was passionate about. She made an album for her die-hard fans instead of for the GP. It was incredibly stupid but also extremely respectable/commendable all at the same time. She risked her career for a project that she knew would help people. You don't have to like it, but you must respect that.
Now she just needs to figure out how to bounce back from an era like that, because ARTPOP certainly didn't do it. I have faith that she can come up with something truly breathtaking again.
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BTW could have sold much more with the tracks it has but with different single choices and a different image
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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If you want to see a stanbase collapse you should visit GGD right now 
The amount of people that were there since the beginning who are now done and leaving
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Not sure if y'all are familiar with the saying "Pioneers get slaughtered while the settlers prosper", but I think it's a perfect explanation for Gaga's career. Some of the same people that imitated Gaga at the beginning of her career are now outselling her. Gaga, who's taken big risks in her career and inspired many of her contemporaries, ends up declining while the people who released safe, basic, harmless pop songs come out on top. The people she inspired are becoming bigger than her. Sad but true.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by !Blue!
BTW could have sold much more with the tracks it has but with different single choices and a different image
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Agreed. The image was a big part of it. But Gaga did that on purpose, so as long as she's happy I guess 
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Originally posted by BadMonster
If you want to see a stanbase collapse you should visit GGD right now
The amount of people that were there since the beginning who are now done and leaving |
Hasn't visited that site (on purpose) since 2011. I can only imagine the meltdowns this era has caused there. LM.com is bad enough
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by MM3
Agreed. The image was a big part of it. But Gaga did that on purpose, so as long as she's happy I guess
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She probably wanted to test how far she can go without major backlash
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by MM3
BTW would've sold at least double what it did if the music didn't alienate so many people. She was on track to have the biggest album of our generation. But instead, she chose to make music that she was passionate about. She made an album for her die-hard fans instead of for the GP. It was incredibly stupid but also extremely respectable/commendable all at the same time. She risked her career for a project that she knew would help people. You don't have to like it, but you must respect that.
Now she just needs to figure out how to bounce back from an era like that, because ARTPOP certainly didn't do it. I have faith that she can come up with something truly breathtaking again.
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I agree.
I think she feels like everything she does now has to be dedicated to monsters all the time
She forgot that most of us started stanning for the carefree, a little bitchy popstar which made amazing songs accompanied by amazing videos.
Most of us LOVE and will always appreciate BTW.
She dedicated an album to her fans and that is amazing but she needs to get back to her popstar ways, which got her where she is right now.
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