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Poll: Have you abandoned Lady Gaga?
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View Poll Results: Have you had enough? Have you abandoned Lady Gaga?
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Ugh! I've abandoned Gaga. I'm done! Sorry, not sorry.
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205 |
35.84% |
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Not yet. However, I'm pretty damn close to abandoning her!
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44 |
7.69% |
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I haven't fully abandoned Gaga, but I'm definitely getting tired of this scheiße.
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137 |
23.95% |
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I will never abandoned Gaga. I'm a monster for life.
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186 |
32.52% |
Member Since: 5/25/2010
Posts: 23,013
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Vin 99% of the time I respect your opinions but when it comes to Lady Gaga I have to say that you're completely un-objective. You have this innate near hatred for her and that completely clouds your ability to have a rational opinion regarding her or the status of her career.
Lady Gaga has been met with a certain amount of cynicism since The Fame, which as time went on and she made some non-choice career moves it grew and her opposers are very very loud and go out of their way to persuade others to think as they do going as low as spreading propaganda. The fluctuation of her popularity doesn't just derive from her choices, stubborn cynicism is one of the dominant variants and its more often than not illogical.
Theres a lot of criticisms of her that Ill agree with like her obvious dip in being able to market herself attractively and including in part her vulnerability (although she is often targeted spitefully therefore in one aspect her victimization is valid). But a good majority of these criticisms don't invalidate that her music for the most part is hardly deserving the opposition shes received.
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But that's the thing, I'm very objective when criticizing Lady Gaga, but because it's not positive criticism, her fans are quick to label it "hatred" because - TWIST - her fans are not objective when reading and responding to my criticisms.
I've already mentioned this before, but if you're a recording artist, and your music is good, then the public doesn't care what the hell you do as an artist in your free time -- wear a meat dress, grind and twerk on Robin Thicke, the public will be entertained, talk about it for a couple weeks, but frankly won't fault you as much because in the midst of all the tomfoolery, you, as an artist, at the very least, delivered a great song that allows you leeway to do those crazy things that we, the public, talk about for a New York minute.
Lady Gaga's PROBLEM is that she insists on not making catchy music for radio because, in her distorted representation of what art is, "Catchy music is not art." Thus, we get singles like "Applause" or "Venus." She hasn't released a good, catchy single since "Bad Romance." And that's why Lady Gaga got away with so much public craziness back then without a major fallout, because she had a hit song out on radio, and that's why Miley Cyrus can get away with so much public craziness now without a major fallout, because she has hit songs out.
Gaga's solution is very simple -- get a HIT song on radio, then you can do whatever you want. Elementary, no? Alas, her ego is too big to cater a hit song to radio because "she's above that" with her "art." You're a pop star first, kid; an "artist" second.
...Vin
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
Posts: 20,932
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i abandoned her after Alejandro,
BTW and Artpop are mess.
The Fame is still unbothered
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vin
But that's the thing, I'm very objective when criticizing Lady Gaga, but because it's not positive criticism, her fans are quick to label it "hatred" because - TWIST - her fans are not objective when reading and responding to my criticisms.
I've already mentioned this before, but if you're a recording artist, and your music is good, then the public doesn't care what the hell you do as an artist in your free time -- wear a meat dress, grind and twerk on Robin Thicke, the public will be entertained, talk about it for a couple weeks, but frankly won't fault you as much because in the midst of all the tomfoolery, you, as an artist, at the very least, delivered a great song that allows you leeway to do those crazy things that we, the public, talk about for a New York minute.
Lady Gaga's PROBLEM is that she insists on not making catchy music for radio because, in her distorted representation of what art is, "Catchy music is not art." Thus, we get singles like "Applause" or "Venus." She hasn't released a good, catchy single since "Bad Romance." And that's why Lady Gaga got away with so much public craziness back then without a major fallout, because she had a hit song out on radio, and that's why Miley Cyrus can get away with so much public craziness now without a major fallout, because she has hit songs out.
Gaga's solution is very simple -- get a HIT song on radio, then you can do whatever you want. Elementary, no? Alas, her ego is too big to cater a hit song to radio because "she's above that" with her "art." You're a pop star first, kid; an "artist" second.
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No sir don't try to play that card lol I've read a lot of what you've had to say about her including the above paragrah and its not that objective. You clearly have a hatred for her for your own reasons however you more often than not project when criticizing her, no matter how eloquently you write it out.
Yes I agree she needs hit songs to be able to play out her imperfections but its not a matter of her not releasing appealing music. Do What U Want should be a new Gaga staple that otherwise would have been a number one hit for her without question, however theres a great portion of the gay community that consciously shuts her out because they don't want to give her the attention that they think she so desperately craves; basically its not performing well because shes Lady Gaga (along with the fact that her performance at the AMA's no matter how well sung was kind of unappealing). Applause was very catchy, however once again stubborn opinion prevented people from accepting it because people don't want to accept her and she doesn't make it any easier for them that i'll admit. A lot of pop music does well because of bandwagoning and over the past 2 years theres been a bandwagon against her rather than for her for a multitude of reasons both justified and not. You argue that she is the sole reason shes not doing well but in all honestly its split in half between her refusal to play the pop game to benefit herself and people being mindless stans that throw logic out the window and join in the stoning.
I agree that she doesn't play the game, but not in terms of her music. A good portion of ARTPOP is radio friendly and in typical Gaga fashion is catchy. Her issue isn't her music, its how she markets herself. Theres a disconnect. Had she marketed this album differently from the get go it would've been met more positively critically, which is a testament to the fact that even if its not her hands down best album and even if its not the best pop album of the year its certainly not the worst and certainly shows she still has a knack for making good commercial pop music.
On a sidenote, I think its kind of atrocious that people pelt her for trying too hard yet turn around and celebrate mediocrity. Gaga is not the greater of the evils and she shouldn't be treated as such.
And on another sidenote, finally someone I can have an actual conversation with about pop music. People here are way too critical of "essay" length responses lol
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Member Since: 9/17/2006
Posts: 3,506
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I jumped off the GaGa train after I heard "Born This Way"... the antics, the makeup during the era, was a straight up MESS, and I just stopped connecting to her. I used to be a BIG stan mind you.
Then I got "Applause" and I was like, no. The ego is out of control. I'm done.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 11,383
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I have once, but never more 
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
Posts: 23,013
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If you have yet to comment or vote in this poll, let us know your opinion.
Check out Gaga's latest rant: http://atrl.net/?p=18705912.
What do you think? Have you abandoned Lady Gaga?
...Vin
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Still no. I've been a bit put off by some of her comments lately but I sympathize with her in regards to others. I'm also not going to abandon any artist I support unless there's a very long period in which I dislike them. And I haven't even begun to dislike Gaga yet! I somehow doubt I ever will.
Also Vin, in regards to the above discussion, the problem is not your arguments or the objectivity of the arguments themselves, it's the fact that you post nearly exclusively negatively when it comes to Gaga. That's why Monsters know - not think, know - you dislike her. You are logical in your arguments, respectful in most posts, and in general a quite respectable poster, but it's easy to pick up on the fact that you are seldom a positive voice in Gaga threads! With that said, you make good points. I agree that Gaga's refusal to make music as catchy and commercial as her peers, while still at about the same quality level objectively, is a major factor in her disconnection with the general public. She needs to make something amazing in a catchy, commercial, objective sense to achieve what I think she really wants. However, subjectively, I've never liked her musical work more.
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Member Since: 5/17/2009
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Quote:
Originally posted by Misanthrope
On a sidenote, I think its kind of atrocious that people pelt her for trying too hard yet turn around and celebrate mediocrity. Gaga is not the greater of the evils and she shouldn't be treated as such.
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Member Since: 6/5/2011
Posts: 13,008
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Nope... Never!!!
Viva Joanne!!!
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
And on another sidenote, finally someone I can have an actual conversation with about pop music. People here are way too critical of "essay" length responses lol
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I agree with you on that, by the way. You may very well be the ying to my yang
when it comes "Anti Gaga vs. Pro Gaga" in essay form.  Look
forward to seeing your posts more around the forum.
...Vin
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Member Since: 8/4/2010
Posts: 12,356
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Abandoned her since early 2010.  at the height of her peak.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
Posts: 8,761
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Originally posted by YourMadGesty
Abandoned her since early 2010. at the height of her peak. |
So edgy of you! 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 23,374
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I'm so close 
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Member Since: 9/18/2010
Posts: 1,402
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Still here for her, buying her Music and will buy ArtPop Volume 2 no matter what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Member Since: 7/3/2010
Posts: 5,788
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I find her really annoying this era and don't like the music
But still find her extremely talented and smart and am waiting for her next era. I think she can still smash it outta the park.
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Member Since: 1/1/2012
Posts: 19,672
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I'm still here, old sport
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 8,969
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Currently wading waist-deep through the scheiße, but not totally suffocating yet.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 5,208
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I never really used her like that. I liked BTW (the album) and was looking forward to ARTPOP. Applause disappointed me. Her persona and her defensivness has turned me off.
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