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Celeb News: ABC's 30 Greatest Women in Music New Years Special
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[IMG]30. Karen Carpenter
29. Gwen Stefani
28. Celine Dion
27. Chaka Khan
26. Lady Gaga
25. Pat Benatar
24. Shania Twain
23. Cher
22. Adele
21. Gloria Estefan
20. Katy Perry
19. Cyndi Lauper
18. P!nk
17. Gladys Knight
16. Donna Summer
15. Alicia Keys
14. Rihanna
13. Dolly Parton
12. Christina Aguilera
11. Janet Jackson
10. Blondie
9. Taylor Swift
8. Mariah Carey
7. Annie Lennox
6. Diana Ross
5. Madonna
4. Beyonce
3. Aretha Franklin
2. Tina Turner
1. Whitney Houston
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Beyonce ahead of MADONNA 
Taylor ahead of JANET JACKSON
Rih, Xtina ahead of Cher, Celine and Donna Summer
Barbra Streisand and Britney Spears not being there
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Originally posted by Brinny Baby
Beyonce ahead of MADONNA
Taylor ahead of JANET JACKSON
Rih, Xtina ahead of Cher, Celine and Donna Summer
Barbra Streisand and Britney Spears not being there |
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Beyonce, The biggest legend this gen.  Her impact goes beyond MTV.
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Originally posted by OhYeahYouMad
Whit is the best.
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Whitney was a good singer and that was it. She didn't write any of her songs, she wasn't a very good performer, and even her music isn't that critically acclaimed.
Madonna on the other hand writes all of her own songs, she produces her own songs, she's an amazing performer, her music videos are some of the most iconic music videos of all time, a lot of her work is critically acclaimed, she has some of the highest grossing tours of all time, she's one of the most influential pop stars of all time, and she's The Queen Of Pop.
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Why is Katy higher than Gaga? What's great about her other than the charts?
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this list is just a bit silly really isn't it
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Originally posted by Donatella Versace
Whitney was a good singer and that was it. She didn't write any of her songs, she wasn't a very good performer, and even her music isn't that critically acclaimed.
Madonna on the other hand writes all of her own songs, she produces her own songs, she's an amazing performer, her music videos are some of the most iconic music videos of all time, a lot of her work is critically acclaimed, she has some of the highest grossing tours of all time, she's one of the most influential pop stars of all time, and she's The Queen Of Pop.
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I don't mind the Whitney thing so much but still. 
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Why is Katy higher than Gaga? What's great about her other than the charts?
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You are the most hardcore katycat 
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You still didn't answer his question. What's great about Katy other than the fact that she has a few hit singles?
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26. Lady Gaga
20. Katy Perry
14. Rihanna
4. Beyonce
WOW at Rihanna being so high at only 25!
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Originally posted by Donatella Versace
Whitney was a good singer and that was it. She didn't write any of her songs, she wasn't a very good performer, and even her music isn't that critically acclaimed.
Madonna on the other hand writes all of her own songs, she produces her own songs, she's an amazing performer, her music videos are some of the most iconic music videos of all time, a lot of her work is critically acclaimed, she has some of the highest grossing tours of all time, she's one of the most influential pop stars of all time, and she's The Queen Of Pop.
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What kind of stupid post....
Whitney Houston's musical craft was singing and she was a GENIUS at it. Madonna's musical skills are just passable.
Songwriting, just like singing, is another AVENUE for artistry. That's all. A singer's lack of it has nothing to do with their greatness if that's not the type of artist they are. Plenty of the greatest and most influential artists of all time were and are not songwriters: Ella, Sinatra, Dinah Washington, Aretha, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Streisand, Mahalia Jackson etc.
Whitney Houston was a FLAT-FOOTED performer, meaning all she had to do was stand at the mic and let rip. She didn't have to show the audience her nipples or do **** that wasn't musical to get people to pay attention to her onstage. She captivated audiences with her stellar talent and presence.
Critical acclaim...the fact that you think this has anything to do with greatness....
Iconic videos? Pray tell of Aretha's iconic videos? Elvis? Chuck Berry? James Brown? These are artists who are greater than Madonna. What about Ella Fitzgerald's tour gross? Nat King Cole's? Bessie Smith? No? I'm surprised you didn't talk about magazine covers and Forbes.
And Whitney Houston is the most influential female singer (I stress the word "singer") of the past three decades and was a pioneer, esp. for black female artists.
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What kind of stupid post....
Whitney Houston's musical craft was singing and she was a GENIUS at it. Madonna's musical skills are just passable.
Songwriting, just like singing, is another AVENUE for artistry. That's all. A singer's lack of it has nothing to do with their greatness if that's not the type of artist they are. Plenty of the greatest and most influential artists of all time were and are not songwriters: Ella, Sinatra, Dinah Washington, Aretha, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Streisand, Mahalia Jackson etc.
Whitney Houston was a FLAT-FOOTED performer, meaning all she had to do was stand at the mic and let rip. She didn't have to show the audience her nipples or do **** that wasn't musical to get people to pay attention to her onstage. She captivated audiences with her stellar talent and presence.
Critical acclaim...the fact that you think this has anything to do with greatness....
Iconic videos? Pray tell of Aretha's iconic videos? Elvis? Chuck Berry? James Brown? These are artists who are greater than Madonna. What about Ella Fitzgerald's tour gross? Nat King Cole's? Bessie Smith? No? I'm surprised you didn't talk about magazine covers and Forbes.
And Whitney Houston is the most influential female singer (I stress the word "singer") of the past three decades and was a pioneer, esp. for black female artists.
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Originally posted by Chimier
What kind of stupid post....
Whitney Houston's musical craft was singing and she was a GENIUS at it. Madonna's musical skills are just passable.
Songwriting, just like singing, is another AVENUE for artistry. That's all. A singer's lack of it has nothing to do with their greatness if that's not the type of artist they are. Plenty of the greatest and most influential artists of all time were and are not songwriters: Ella, Sinatra, Dinah Washington, Aretha, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Streisand, Mahalia Jackson etc.
Whitney Houston was a FLAT-FOOTED performer, meaning all she had to do was stand at the mic and let rip. She didn't have to show the audience her nipples or do **** that wasn't musical to get people to pay attention to her onstage. She captivated audiences with her stellar talent and presence.
Critical acclaim...the fact that you think this has anything to do with greatness....
Iconic videos? Pray tell of Aretha's iconic videos? Elvis? Chuck Berry? James Brown? These are artists who are greater than Madonna. What about Ella Fitzgerald's tour gross? Nat King Cole's? Bessie Smith? No? I'm surprised you didn't talk about magazine covers and Forbes.
And Whitney Houston is the most influential female singer (I stress the word "singer") of the past three decades and was a pioneer, esp. for black female artists.
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Thanks for the paragraph long persuasive essay but I don't have the time to read the whole thing.
Whitney doesn't deserve to be number 1.
Stay mad.
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Beyonce, The biggest legend this gen. Her impact goes beyond MTV. |
This.
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Originally posted by Chimier
What kind of stupid post....
Whitney Houston's musical craft was singing and she was a GENIUS at it. Madonna's musical skills are just passable.
Songwriting, just like singing, is another AVENUE for artistry. That's all. A singer's lack of it has nothing to do with their greatness if that's not the type of artist they are. Plenty of the greatest and most influential artists of all time were and are not songwriters: Ella, Sinatra, Dinah Washington, Aretha, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Streisand, Mahalia Jackson etc.
Whitney Houston was a FLAT-FOOTED performer, meaning all she had to do was stand at the mic and let rip. She didn't have to show the audience her nipples or do **** that wasn't musical to get people to pay attention to her onstage. She captivated audiences with her stellar talent and presence.
Critical acclaim...the fact that you think this has anything to do with greatness....
Iconic videos? Pray tell of Aretha's iconic videos? Elvis? Chuck Berry? James Brown? These are artists who are greater than Madonna. What about Ella Fitzgerald's tour gross? Nat King Cole's? Bessie Smith? No? I'm surprised you didn't talk about magazine covers and Forbes.
And Whitney Houston is the most influential female singer (I stress the word "singer") of the past three decades and was a pioneer, esp. for black female artists.
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First, Madonna is a great songwriter.
Second, voice is something you are lucky to be born with. Singing is a form of art, so is songwriting.
To create music, lyrics, imagery and make it work requires a huge talent, creativity and effort. For phenomenal singers like Whitney its easy to impress the audience so much that they will not even notice how ****** and cheesy the songs often are. But when you dont have the voice, the only thing which can win you respect and acclaim is the high quality of music.
Plenty of the greatest and most influential artists were and are not good singers, but are very creative and brilliant songwriters: Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Kurt Cobain, Roger Waters, Joe Strummer etc...
Even when they were not gifted singers, they compensated it with passion, character, style and authenticity of their performances, or simply with the great music and haunting, strong, poetic lyrics. Its a shame that some people look down upon them just because they werent born with a great voice and dismiss the huge power of their creative mind.
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fck any list that puts katy perry above cher. 
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Originally posted by Bríseis
First, Madonna is a great songwriter.
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That's wonderful.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Second, voice is something you are lucky to be born with. Singing is a form of art, so is songwriting.
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Did I not say "Songwriting, just like singing, is another AVENUE for artistry"? Thanks for telling me what I already know.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
To create music, lyrics, imagery and make it work requires a huge talent, creativity and effort. For phenomenal singers like Whitney its easy to impress the audience so much that they will not even notice how ****** and cheesy the songs often are.
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That's the magic of being a great singer. They can impress and captivate an audience singing the simplest and shittiest of songs.
And because Whitney didn't write her songs, the burden of them being good or not rests on the songwriters, not her. Thus, she must be judged on what she brought to the song, which would be her gift of interpretation, which is very important in making the music, lyrics and imagery work: how the singer phrases certain parts of the song, the kinds of melodic ideas they deliver and resolve, the use of dynamics, how they build the song, their sense of timing etc. All of that is important.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
But when you dont have the voice, the only thing which can win you respect and acclaim is the high quality of music.
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Respect and acclaim are given to whoever the industry and media choose to give them to, regardless of the quality of the music. It has nothing to do with how great an artist is.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Plenty of the greatest and most influential artists were and are not good singers, but are very creative and brilliant songwriters: Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Kurt Cobain, Roger Waters, Joe Strummer etc...
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Did I say that songwriters weren't artists? Did I say "so and so was just a good songwriter?" My post was about how singing is a kind of art (thus Whitney being a great artist), not about how songwriting isn't.
Nice post and all, but save it for when it's appropriate.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Even when they were not gifted singers, they compensated it with passion, character, style and authenticity of their performances, or simply with the great music and haunting, strong, poetic lyrics.
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And where does Madonna fit into that? You're telling me that she's become who she is because of her haunting, strong, poetic lyrics and the "authentic performances" by which she delivers them?
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Its a shame that some people look down upon them just because they werent born with a great voice and dismiss the huge power of their creative mind.
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Well, you're clearly talking about someone else, because I didn't say songwriters weren't artists, nor did I put their artistry down to them "just being songwriters". The point of my post was that it makes absolutely no sense to judge an artist's greatness on what they DON'T do, hence why I said "A singer's lack of [songwriting] has nothing to do with their greatness if that's not the type of artist they are".
If I said Madonna wasn't a great artist because she's not a great singer and doesn't play 20 instruments, would that make sense? No. In the same way, saying "Whitney was just a good singer. She didn't write her songs" makes no sense.
And again, the creative mind has much to do with singing as it does songwriting. Notice I said "singing", not "voice". Voice doesn't make a great artist.
So again, save the posts for when they're appropriate.
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Thanks for the paragraph long persuasive essay but I don't have the time to read the whole thing.
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I don't think time is your problem. It's most likely something that deals with intelligence.
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Originally posted by Donatella Versace
Whitney doesn't deserve to be number 1.
Stay mad.
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I'd stay mad if I was mad, but seeing as how I'm not....
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