[Kworb]

Use this chart if you don't like the one with sales

http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-...ip-hop-airplay

[iHype.]

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

Flo Rida is black, tho???

NOOOOo

I wish I could make this my signature. I AM SCREAMING

[Honey]

Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR

Honestly, I don't like the fact that Macklemore is slaying the Hip Hop charts either, but I think the rules behind it are solid. It should be about the song genre, not his popularity on a certain format.

That said, "Thrift Shop" and "Siamonds" are both Pop songs.

In theory it makes sense, but it doesn't work. Not in 2013, when white people are stealing black music and Billboard is counting them as R&B/Hip-Hop.

[iHype.]

Originally posted by Kworb

Use this chart if you don't like the one with sales

http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-...ip-hop-airplay

I shouldn't have to look at Airplay charts to feel justice.

[Green]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

It only needs to be R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay PERIOD.

Sales (like Thrift Shop doing 5x Platinum in US) are influenced by the overall community, and not only Urban. Same with Streaming.

Urban Airplay is only controlled / decided from the Urban community.

But the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay charts are still there. It's not like they were eliminated.
An airplay chart needs to be called like it is.
It's like saying the Billboard Hot 100 should be airplay only.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by jinzo

Black, Asian, White- anyone should be able to release a rap song and have a fair chance for it to chart on a rap chart. Music is universal and we shouldn't gate it off or act as the gatekeepers.

Right, but I think the point is that those artists should only be given a chance to chart there if the listeners and buyers of that genre is supporting it. Macklemore being #1 for 45 weeks is not a good representation of what the urban community is supporting or what is reaching it. "Mirrors" and "Royals" not be able to chart there despite being all over urban radio is another dumb flaw. It sounds like Billboard is full of **** and don't know how they want to track music or determine a song's popularity.

[Honey]

Originally posted by Green

But the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay charts are still there. It's not like they were eliminated.
An airplay chart needs to be called like it is.
It's like saying the Billboard Hot 100 should be airplay only.

It should be airplay only. Otherwise, Billboard will be forced to classify which songs are R&B/Hip-Hop and which aren't, which would be little improvement over the current system. Besides, Mackelmore would still be #1 because pop songs sell more on iTunes than R&B/hip-hop ones.

[Cap10Planet]

Now on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, R&B Songs, Rap Songs instead of depending on Airplay from URBAN stations, now it compiles all airplay, streams, and sales so now Pop acts with "urban" songs go #1.

This doesn't make sense. Why were "Mirrors" and "Royals" poorly represented on the chart? Billboard is randomly picking what is "rap," "R&B," "Hip Hop" and "urban."

[atrlster]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

2013 was the first year in Hot 100 history to not have a black artist go #1 as a Lead Artist.

No black artists, or R&B/Hip-Hop songs from Urban artists went #1 on Mainstream 40 / Pop / Country / Rock Charts.

So who exactly is this helping expand? The pop artists who've already been #1 everywhere to begin with.

What does 2013 being the first year without a black lead artist to have a #1 on the Hot 100 have to do with the genre charts? The black artists who went to #1 in 2012 were all electronic songs by Rihanna anyway lol Black artists haven't really had R&B/Urban #1 hits on The Hot 100 in years. Its mostly dance music in the year priors

And Rihanna did go to #1 on Mainstream Top 40 this year with Stay

But my point is white artists/core pop artists had to do urban music to get accepted at pop radio first. I get how it can be jarring, but there doesn't seem to be another way

[iHype.]

Originally posted by Honey

It should be airplay only. Otherwise, Billboard will be forced to classify which songs are R&B/Hip-Hop and which aren't, which would be little improvement over the current system. Besides, Mackelmore would still be #1 because pop songs sell more on iTunes than R&B/hip-hop ones.

!!

The listeners of Pop will ALWAYS overshadow the listeners of Urban music, which is why things with only Urban impact should be counted or else Pop songs / Pop artists / the Pop community will ALWAYS impact Urban charts more whether they're listening to Urban material or not.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by Honey

Because Billboard picks and chooses which songs are R&B or hip-hop, and Mirrors, Royals, etc. weren't classified as such.

But those songs were actually well-known and consumed through airplay by the urban community, yet they're only allowed to chart on R&B/Hip Hop airplay. Yeah, right. Billboard is flawed and will continue to be. The new chart is not a representation of what songs are truly popular.

[BLaCKPoWeR]

Originally posted by Honey

It should be airplay only. Otherwise, Billboard will be forced to classify which songs are R&B/Hip-Hop and which aren't, which would be little improvement over the current system. Besides, Mackelmore would still be #1 because pop songs sell more on iTunes than R&B/hip-hop ones.

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tell em pasty crackas keep dey sweaty paws AWF our 808 machines!

[iHype.]

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

This doesn't make sense. Why were "Mirrors" and "Royals" poorly represented on the chart? Billboard is randomly picking what is "rap," "R&B," "Hip Hop" and "urban."

It's funny because Billboard is just as blind to race in some cases.

Ariana Grande's "The Way" being classified as Pop despite her clearly doing R&B and sampling a Hip-Hop song.

Flo Rida doing complete Pop songs and still being considered Rap.

[Honey]

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

But those songs were actually well-known and consumed through airplay by the urban community, yet they're only allowed to chart on R&B/Hip Hop airplay. Yeah, right. Billboard is flawed and will continue to be. The new chart is not a representation of what songs are truly popular.

I know, I didn't read your whole post and thought you were asking why Mirrors and Royals weren't allowed to chart on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. I've since deleted that post, my bad.

[Kworb]

Genre charts in general just don't work very well if it's not radio stations you're putting in boxes but the music itself. If you put a radio station in a box then that station still has the freedom to play whatever it wants. So you get a song like Royals on Urban radio. But once a higher authority has to decide whether a song or album is a certain genre or not, that's when the trouble starts. Because music is too fluid, genres overlap too much.

[Quiqui4eva]

I don't see how Thrift Shop is considered Pop. I'd say it's closer to R&B/Hip Hop imo.

[Cap10Planet]

URBAN
4 = LORDE Royals

Is it even in the top 10 on the R&B/Hip Hop Songs chart?

#JusticeforROYALS

[Honey]

Originally posted by Harmonic Dreamer

And mess at these dumb asses in here.
"OH! My fave had 1.6m illegal downloads! HA! We win!"
Girl what kinda fail?
Girl you want to have as little illegal downloads as possible girl.
I can't.

Let me direct you to the right thread.

http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=482105

[Jennifer]

I get their reasoning behind it even if it does appear to be unfair to certain urban artists.

Why should radio decide what's popular? Why shouldn't digital sales be taken into account?

Macklemore puts out rap/hiphop tracks, there's no denying that. Just because it may not be the most popular among the blacks, doesn't make it any less of a rap track. TOP Rap tracks means the top rack tracks and the other audiences still should be accounted for. You have the airplay charts if you want to see what Urban radio listeners are listening to- its pretty simple, lol.

[Harmonic Dreamer]

Originally posted by Honey

Let me direct you to the right thread.

http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=482105

Girl I don't even know how I got in this thread girl.