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Madonna exposing Courtney Love in the same interview from '95  :
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You’ve said that certain of the next generation of female artists, in particular Courtney Love. have denounced you only because. “they want their independence… like a child does from a parent”. Why should they see you as this Big Bad Momma figure?
“Because I paved the way for them, I absolutely paved the way for people like Courtney Love and Liz Phair. Just as Debbie Harry paved the way for me.”
Did you ever denounce Debbie Harry?
“No. But I’m not a drug addict and I don’t hate myself.”
Madonna sighs. “At that particular time the whole alternative scene, the Generation X scene was saying. ‘F*** success, f*** the ’80s, f*** people who are making money, f*** the establishment! But in the end it’s completely false. Courtney is not anti-establishment at all. She’s got her Charles Jourdin shoes on, she goes shopping at Prada. Its all ******** but it sounds good.”
One would have thought that Courtney of all people would have felt some kind of empathy with you?
“Yeah, but Courtney is such a miserable person. When I met her, when I was trying to sign her, she spent the whole tame slagging off her husband. She was saying, ‘Oh. Hole are so much better than Nirvana’ and just going off on a tangent. She just loves to hear herself talk. She doesn’t even mean half the things she says, she’s just incredibly competitive with people and anybody who’s successful she’s going to slag off. That’s all there is to it.”
Were you irritated by her comments about you being a vampire who would bleed her dry?
“Absolutely! Because she was the one who was calling me up at 3am going off on all these tangents about how women have to stick together and how she really admired and respected me for all I’d been through. Then she turns around and says all these things and I’m like, ‘My God! This woman is completely Insane!’”
Have you any sympathy for the way things have gone for her?
Madonna ponders for a moment. “Do I have sympathy for Courtney?… I suppose I feel bad that she’s lost somebody that she obviously loved, but it’s not like it was a great surprise to anybody. When you take that many drugs it’s only a matter of time, you know what I mean? And let’s face it, she’s where she a because she put herself there. She’s not a victim. Everything that’s happening to her she’s brought on herself. So, it’s quite difficult for me to feel sorry for her.”
You feel that she could have carried herself with a bit more…
“Dignity? Yeah I do. But once again I feel that her judgement is clouded by the fact that she’s f**ed up all the time. It’s hard for her… but you can’t go around saying. ‘Oh I didn’t really mean to do that, I was high.’ I’ve subsequently had conversations with her about what she said about me and she’s been like, ‘Oh, I was really f**ed up when I said that, I didn’t mean it, y’know’. And that’s ********. You can justify any kind of bad behaviour if you always have that for an excuse.”
Had she not said those things about you, would you have been there for her when things fell apart?
“Yeah,” she smiles ruefully, “I’m very maternal and I’m completely a caretaker. I’ve had my share of drug-addict boyfriends. I would have been there for her. But I would probably have gotten sickly intertwined in her life and tried to intervene and in the end you can’t do that. People have to help themselves.”
Would you care to speculate how things might work out for her?
“I have no idea. I don’t know what her karma is, I don’t know what her future is. I’ve said this before – I think she’s really talented but she’s got to find something to hang on to and she’s got to find happiness. If she doesn’t, then I don’t know what will become of her. That goes for everybody.”
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