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Poll: More iconic: Janet Jackson vs. Kylie Minogue
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View Poll Results: Most iconic: Janet Jackson or Kylie Minogue
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Kylie MInogue
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Janet Jackson
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Originally posted by Rolland
Janet (album) has sold 7 million in the US since it was released, I would love to know where else did she sell that much, when it has such lackluster chart-peaks. Same goes for TVR and its 3 million copies sold.  Also, I would love to see a breakdown of those 140 million records WITH credible sources to back up such claims. Not happening though.
Oh, and acclaim? Well, according to Metacritic, Kylie destroys Janet. I see what I said got under your skin, but providing false, inaccurate and exaggerated information won't change the reality. Not to mention I wasn't even talking about sales. Take your delusion elsewhere please.
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Lackluster chart peaks? It went #1-#5 in most of the important markets, most credible sources cite its total sales as 20 million. And whether you believe it sold 15 million or 20 million my point still stands that it's bigger than any Kylie album WW. As for TVR, it initially had lackluster peaks because of its first single choice, but when Together Again was released it brought longertivity and saved the album. Kylie can beat Janet on meta critic all she wants, that's just one source. You weren't taking about sales? You were talking about this so called "globalness" of Kylie, and at the same time limited Janets influence to African-American culture, even though she has influenced artists all over the globe, and I'm the delusional one? 
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Janet did not sell 130 million records 
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Lackluster chart peaks? It went #1-#5 in most of the important markets, most credible sources cite its total sales as 20 million. And whether you believe it sold 15 million or 20 million my point still stands that it's bigger than any Kylie album WW. As for TVR, it initially had lackluster peaks because of its first single choice, but when Together Again was released it brought longertivity and saved the album. Kylie can beat Janet on meta critic all she wants, that's just one source. You weren't taking about sales? You were talking about this so called "globalness" of Kylie, and at the same time limited Janets influence to African-American culture, even though she has influenced artists all over the globe, and I'm the delusional one? |
Janet went top 5 only in nine countries. And you expect people to believe it sold 13 million elsewhere when it was only certified gold in most of those countries, and these certifications only make up to 2 million? Time to wake up. Provide evidence of those credible sources, please.
Do you even know how Metacritic works? The nerve to argue back when your ignorance is evident. Go educate yourself a little.
Again; false, inaccurate and exaggerated information won't change the reality. Janet never really HAPPENED globally. She had modest success compare to real global peers. The fact that she is not even able to tour and is completely erased on a global scale tells everything. Most acts influenced by Janet are african-american people and US based acts. Deal with it.
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The amount of ignorance in this thread is appalling.
But it is clearly Janet.
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Kylie by far. Nothing about Janet's career is "iconic". |
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Originally posted by Llewellyn
That's nice but the question was about who's more iconic not who sold more.
Kylie's had many more iconic moments/outfits/etcetc compared to Janet, the only one I can think of is the nip-slip.
+ Janet isn't popular in the UK at all, I had no idea who she was until I joined ATRL in 2011, that's not even a joke.
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Like what. I live in the UK, and I literally can't think of 1 . I can think of several for janet.
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Originally posted by Rolland
Janet (album) has sold 7 million in the US since it was released, I would love to know where else did she sell that much, when it has such lackluster chart-peaks. Same goes for TVR and its 3 million copies sold. Also, I would love to see a breakdown of those 140 million records WITH credible sources to back up such claims. Not happening though.
Oh, and acclaim? Well, according to Metacritic, Kylie destroys Janet. I see what I said got under your skin, but providing false, inaccurate and exaggerated information won't change the reality. Not to mention I wasn't even talking about sales. Take your delusion elsewhere please.
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Originally posted by Rolland
Janet went top 5 only in nine countries. And you expect people to believe it sold 13 million elsewhere when it was only certified gold in most of those countries, and these certifications only make up to 2 million? Time to wake up. Provide evidence of those credible sources, please.
Do you even know how Metacritic works? The nerve to argue back when your ignorance is evident. Go educate yourself a little.
Again; false, inaccurate and exaggerated information won't change the reality. Janet never really HAPPENED globally. She had modest success compare to real global peers. The fact that she is not even able to tour and is completely erased on a global scale tells everything. Most acts influenced by Janet are african-american people and US based acts. Deal with it. |
And your "global" stars biggest album only went #1 in 4 countries. So if Janet never happened "globally" then poor Kylie  heres a quote from universal
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JANET, sold 20 million albums worldwide
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. Janet has touring records in Japan ( a place where your little global
Star has always been irrelevant, but I guess you don't bother researching outside of Europe). Janet only influences African-American acts? Oh boy, so Jennifer Lopez is African American? Or what about Britney Spears? Rihanna? Spice Girls? And while we are at it, Who has the global star influenced?
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Originally posted by tcweh
And your "global" stars biggest album only went #1 in 4 countries. So if Janet never happened "globally" then poor Kylie heres a quote from universal . Janet has touring records in Japan ( a place where your little global
Star has always been irrelevant, but I guess you don't bother researching outside of Europe). Janet only influences African-American acts? Oh boy, so Jennifer Lopez is African American? Or what about Britney Spears? Rihanna? Spice Girls? And while we are at it, Who has the global star influenced? |
I'm cackling at the slander of Janet's success when Kylie (who I adore) has achieved less domestically and internationally on an overall level.
Anyhoo, Janet remains more iconic.
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Janet Jackson is an icon.
Kylie just has a long career but there's nothing really iconic about her.
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Originally posted by tcweh
And your "global" stars biggest album only went #1 in 4 countries. So if Janet never happened "globally" then poor Kylie heres a quote from universal . Janet has touring records in Japan ( a place where your little global
Star has always been irrelevant, but I guess you don't bother researching outside of Europe). Janet only influences African-American acts? Oh boy, so Jennifer Lopez is African American? Or what about Britney Spears? Rihanna? Spice Girls? And while we are at it, Who has the global star influenced? |
Yes, and Janet (album) went #1 in five markets, your point? I have never said Kylie had massive global success like Madonna, but CGYOOMH was a massive global hit, something Janet never had and Fever had modest success. She is still getting top 10 hits, and she just toured around the world while Janet remains forgotten and not even local.
Japan, one market? I could talk about UK for Kylie, but that's a desperate move. Oh, and Japan was an important market for Kylie at the beginning of her career. Again, educate yourself. Sorry, but I rather be logical, 20 million when it has only 8 million certified, already including the biggest markets? Go bother someone else with your massive delusion.
Learn to read. I clearly wrote: "and US based acts". Do I really need to explain it? Not you implying Kylie has had zero impact on others' careers. Stop fuming, Janet remains a forgotten act, with a short-lived successful local career, no matter how many inaccurate fallacies you create in your head. I am not wasting my time with such a deluded and sensitive stan, bye.
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Miss Jackson (if ya nasty)
Can people even name three iconic Kylie moments?
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Does anyone outside of the UK and Australia use Kylie on a mass level? Who, of significance, has Kylie inspired?
Who pays homage to Kylie?
Britney Spears
Jennifer Lopez
Christina Aguilera
Rihanna
Ciara
All inspired by Ms. Jackson.
I love Kylie, but she's influenced just about nothing.
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No shade but I had never really heard of Janet Jackson before ATRL 
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Originally posted by Rolland
Yes, and Janet (album) went #1 in five markets, your point?
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You were slamming Janet's "lackluster" peaks and i was simply pointing out that two can play at that game.
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I have never said Kylie had massive global success like Madonna, but CGYOOMH was a massive global hit, something Janet never had
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Janet's had more global hits overall than Kylie, and 'Together Again' was nearly as big as CGYOOMH, it was the 2nd biggest selling female single in Europe of 1998 after MHWGO, you were saying?
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and Fever had modest success. She is still getting top 10 hits, and she just toured around the world while Janet remains forgotten and not even local.
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Janet was touring this time 2 years ago, what are you talking about? Kylie isn't getting top 10 hits, have you seen "Timebombs" peaks? Janet has superbowl that destroyed her ability to get hits, what's the global stars excuse?
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Japan, one market? I could talk about UK for Kylie, but that's a desperate move.
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UK is Kylie's main market, and if we take away Kylie and Janet's biggest markets, Janet would still have the clear lead.
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Oh, and Japan was an important market for Kylie at the beginning of her career. Again, educate yourself.
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But she couldn't maintain it, meanwhile Janet sold out Tokyo dome in minutes and still managed to scan Gold there with her last album
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Sorry, but I rather be logical, 20 million when it has only 8 million certified, already including the biggest markets? Go bother someone else with your massive delusion.
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But you can't refute it, since when are you more important than Universal? And bringing in her certifications is mute as she is grossly under-certified, as proof with her US sales alone. The same could be said for Kylie's overall sales, no way in hell do they equal 68 million, not even 30.
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Learn to read. I clearly wrote: "and US based acts".
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Which is wrong because she has influenced artists around the globe.
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Not you implying Kylie has had zero impact on others' careers
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You have yet to name me anyone that's been inspired by her.
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Stop fuming, Janet remains a forgotten act, with a short-lived successful local career,
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A "Local" career that is more global than Kylies career, that's mostly been a non factor outside the UK and Australia. If this was about other UK acts like Robbie Williams or Coldplay then your argument would be strong as they are pretty global and have the backed up sales to prove it, unlike Kylie who has pathetic sales outside her two home markets. If Janet is so forgotten, why is she still being cited by stars as an influence today?
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no matter how many inaccurate fallacies you create in your head. I am not wasting my time with such a deluded and sensitive stan, bye.
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Bye, hope you checked the poll results on your way out.
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I stan for Kylie but the answer to this is: Janet.
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