[A-kafi Joke]

lets hope that actual song doesn't sound like this !!

[Penk]

Any official info I should add to the OP? Or anything else?

[elliotis19]

Originally posted by swissman

"Bitches I run this" is in the song, yes. But that's not even a clear sentence about what she means and it's more of a background lyric than a main one. Any other stuck up examples that actually mean something?

Delusional.

Lyrically, it's a less grandiose continuation of "Run the World (Girls)" — it's also impossible to hear "bitches, I run this" without thinking of non-single "Bow Down" — but the beat certainly feels like new territory for Bey. While listening on repeat, feel free to imagine Beyoncé clicking "upload" right as she closes out of a pregnancy rumor post, looking over at Jay-Z and slyly quoting Don Draper/Peggy Olson: "If you don't like what they're saying, change the conversation."

http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/beyon...oman-leak.html

You were saying...?

EDIT: To clarify, I like this song a lot BUT I am not about to dress up Beyonce's "artistry" for anything more than what it is.

I am the same way with my own fave. I can be objective and call a spade a spade. *gasp*

I'm not a blind yes man stan that issues or invents a justification for EVERYTHING someone does. These leading women of pop are NOT infallible. They do things that are offputting and sometimes unflattering, but life goes on.

You don't have to defend them hypocritically to the grave. Open your eyes.

[♥CEB♥]

Originally posted by pbax

Well yes, thats exactly what I'm saying now that you mention it. Hence the fact that Nicki came across as the most arrogant and immature person on the plant on AI.
How many of Mariah's 18 number 1 singles are about bragging about wealth and self-importance? What about any of MJ's or Whitney's timeless songs? Oh yeah..None.

You clearly do not get the message behind the song.

[pbax]

Originally posted by swissman

I highly doubt many people will feel alienated because she says she makes "all these racks" in her song. I'm sure that there will be many more grown woman proclaiming their status than there are complaining that Beyonce admits she makes money.

Sorry we're obviously on completely different spectrums when it comes to music. I listen to people who make music that remains timeless 20 years down the line, I'm obviously not used to this kind of thing.
Rather Die Young, Listen, Irreplaceable, Love On Top...those are great songs and the kind of thing Bey should be doing!

[elliotis19]

Originally posted by ♥CEB♥

You clearly do not get the message behind the song.

Do you? If so, please share on this online forum. We'd love to be educated.

[reppingBey]

We shouldn't be arguing with people who haven't even reached 100 posts.

[BnPac]

And I'm moving!

[pbax]

Originally posted by reppingBey

We shouldn't be arguing with people who haven't even reached 100 posts.

AKA a masked way of saying anyone who disagrees with the Bey stan opinion?
Geez you'd think I was dragging her or something..theres a lot worse I could say about Bey but wouldn't because I actually like her.

[Bert.]

IDK why y'all entertain em. Look who you're arguing with

[swissman]

Originally posted by pbax

Sorry we're obviously on completely different spectrums when it comes to music. I listen to people who make music that remains timeless 20 years down the line, I'm obviously not used to this kind of thing.
Rather Die Young, Listen, Irreplaceable, Love On Top...those are great songs and the kind of thing Bey should be doing!

Who is to say Beyonce is not doing songs like those? This is just one song. We don't even know if it's going to be on her next album or not.

[pbax]

Originally posted by swissman

Who is to say Beyonce is not doing songs like those? This is just one song.

Hence the reason I posted earlier that I hope her album has songs like that on it. Honestly you guys are taking my comments and multiplying them by 100. I don't even dislike Bey

[elliotis19]

Originally posted by swissman

Do you want my list of Beyonce songs I don't like? Delusional could also be described as thinking that one little lyrics saying "Bitches I run this" means that the entire 5+ minute song is about arrogance.

So a publication compared this to Run the World and Bow Down? Cool. It also said its new territory. What of it?

There you go again with changing the scope of the debate.

The issue at hand was not about the entire song being arrogant per se, but really about pointing out a specific phrase that was stuck up/arrogant in nature.

And wouldn't you know it: "Bitches I run this..." surely fits the bill.

Not here for the apples-to-oranges fallacies. Your original argument was disproven.

I'm done. Moving on.

[pbax]

Originally posted by Bert.

IDK why y'all entertain em. Look who you're arguing with

Isn't this a public forum where anyone who is member is free to voice their opinion? If you think I'm going to be intimidated by a bitchy comment and a gif to match you can think again.

[swissman]

Originally posted by pbax

Hence the reason I posted earlier that I hope her album has songs like that on it. Honestly you guys are taking my comments and multiplying them by 100. I don't even dislike Bey

It's just that your post was incredibly arrogant in regards to you only listening to music that will be classics in 20 years. And isn't arrogance what you were criticizing this song for?

[elliotis19]

Originally posted by swissman

Who is to say Beyonce is not doing songs like those? This is just one song. We don't even know if it's going to be on her next album or not.

We' re talking about this one song, though, not the contents of a hypothetical fifth album.

That's the subject of this thread. Am I missing something?

People are stating their opinions about this very song, in its current form and at this moment. This is the basis of ATRL.

It's okay.

[sGabe4]

WTF is this overproduced mess? the pits would be an understatement...
I expected much much more from Timbaland (my all time fave producer) and Beyoncé

[elliotis19]

Originally posted by pbax

Isn't this a public forum where anyone who is member is free to voice their opinion? If you think I'm going to be intimidated by a bitchy comment and a gif to match you can think again.

Exactly. They're confused about the concept of public discourse.

This is not the military/police state of Beyonce Knowles Carter.

[pbax]

Originally posted by swissman

It's just that your post was incredibly arrogant in regards to you only listening to music that will be classics in 20 years. And isn't arrogance what you were criticizing this song for?

Most of my favourite music ranges from the past so yes I do tend to listen to a lot of songs which have proved their timelessness over the years. However my music taste is completely irrelevant when talking about the clear fact that Beyonce has became extremely arrogant as of late. Bow Down? No thanks.

[pbax]

Originally posted by elliotis19

Exactly. They're confused about the concept of public discourse.

This is not the military/police state of Beyonce Knowles Carter.

Exactly my point. Its not like I'm doing this on a Beyonce only board.