[OriginalQueen]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

That's a lie to say they're not seen as real women. They're seen as more woman than the average chicks because they have the curves and other features that define femininity.

Ethnic women don't always have curves.
Rihanna sure doesn't.

[phatty033]

Originally posted by GreasyBruce

It just makes me really uncomfortable to see Britney stans bragging about blue-eyed, blonde-haired, white as snow Britney being the standard of beauty as if it were some kind of accomplishment when it's really the result of pervasive racism.

we're just answering the op's question, no one is bragging.

[briannaisboss]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

That's a lie to say they're not seen as real women. They're seen as more woman than the average chicks because they have the curves and other features that define femininity.

If you don't think ethnic women are fetishized, you need a reality check.

[briannaisboss]

Originally posted by OriginalQueen

Ethnic women don't always have curves.
Rihanna sure doesn't.

You need to stop

[phatty033]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

The fact is that Rihanna is seen as more beautiful all around the world, hence her being more successful. Britney was hot, but now she's just another white girl who doesn't stand out. Rihanna on the other hand captivates with her beauty.

am I reading this correctly? You are saying that beauty=success?

[OriginalQueen]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

Lady Gaga is not ugly though and she can fix up (like in the Telephone video) and she still doesn't match Rihanna's sales.

Gagas face is extremely unproportinal. She's not even close to fitting the beauty standard.
And she does match Rihanna's sales, or at least she's very close. Funny thing is that Gaga only has 2 studio albums out, while Rihanna is currently on her 7th.

[BabyCantYouSee]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

Lady Gaga is not ugly though and she can fix up (like in the Telephone video) and she still doesn't match Rihanna's sales.

Well, if you think Gaga can "fix up", then there's no point of arguing with you.

You have a DIFFERENT taste.

[liberalmusiclover]

Originally posted by briannaisboss

If you don't think ethnic women are fetishized, you need a reality check.

I didn't say they weren't, I said it was a lie to say that they were seen as less of a woman compared to normal white women, but after seeing what some of these white members are posting it does show what they think of women of color.

[GreasyBruce]

Originally posted by MovinKindaSlow

It's funny cause Britney was brown eyed, tanned and brunette when she debuted and has been widely praised for looking prettier when she recently went back to it.

Stop pushing the racism card just because others don't agree with your opinion.

Seriously

Are you BLIND to the racism in the world? And I AM a Britney fan, and I voted for her in this poll.

This is what Britney looked like when she debuted, and tanned does not mean you stop being white, FYI.



White, All-American girl. This is not an ethnic woman.

[liberalmusiclover]

Originally posted by phatty033

am I reading this correctly? You are saying that beauty=success?

Isn't that what half of the ATRL members argue that Rihanna is only successful because of her looks and not her talent?

[briannaisboss]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

I didn't say they weren't, I said it was a lie to say that they were seen as less of a woman compared to normal white women, but after seeing what some of these white members are posting it does show what they think of women of color.

It's not a lie, it's sadly true. I wish it wasn't but it is. They aren't seen as women, they're seen as toys or sexual creatures. (mostly straight) white people (men) are self centered assholes that way.

[Mzd]

Britney of course

[OriginalQueen]

Originally posted by briannaisboss

You need to stop

So you disagree with what I said?

[phatty033]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

Isn't that what half of the ATRL members argue that Rihanna is only successful because of her looks and not her talent?

I don't see many people saying that and imo, that's not why she's successful.

[liberalmusiclover]

Any way you slice it, Rihanna is more beautiful and seen as more beautiful than Britney Spears. Exotic beauty is the "new normal" so get with it. There's a reason Tyra and her green eyes took the modeling industry by storm, there's a reason why Beyoncé is still able to top lists 16 years into her career based on her looks, and there's a reason why Jennifer Lopez and Shakira are huge worlds over.

[liberalmusiclover]

Originally posted by briannaisboss

It's not a lie, it's sadly true. I wish it wasn't but it is. They aren't seen as women, they're seen as toys or sexual creatures. (mostly straight) white people (men) are self centered assholes that way.

Straight white men can't speak for the world though, and they'd say the same thing about any white adult film actress with decent looks.

[whippedcreamdream]

rihanna is hawt

[MovinKindaSlow]

Originally posted by GreasyBruce

Seriously

Are you BLIND to the racism in the world? And I AM a Britney fan, and I voted for her in this poll.

This is what Britney looked like when she debuted, and tanned does not mean you stop being white, FYI.



White, All-American girl. This is not an ethnic woman.

From the same shoot...



Look at her shorts and then back at her skin tone; nothing about that is 'snow white' as you described her.

I never said she was an 'ethnic' looking girl, nor did I claim being tanned means you stop being white. (I assume you meant caucasian and not the colour white, which would be dumb either way.)

Clearly you have some existing issues with racism within beauty standards, so I'll leave you to deal with that. Have a good evening.

[briannaisboss]

Originally posted by liberalmusiclover

Straight white men can't speak for the world though, and they'd say the same thing about any white adult film actress with decent looks.

I know they can't but they usually DO because that's the world we live in.

[liberalmusiclover]

Originally posted by briannaisboss

I know they can't but they usually DO because that's the world we live in.

There are stunningly beautiful white women, like Charlize Theron, but to say Britney fits that standard of beauty more is a stretch, considering there isn't truly a standard and depends on how the person being judged looks themselves. Hypothetically, if a below average white woman is being compared to a beautiful black woman, I think most people would say the beautiful woman of color is more beautiful.