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Discussion: Can a bad personality ruin a good singer's career?
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Honestly I doubt people even knows Christina's perceived bitchness.
I didn't hear about it till I came on here. Only people really into this stuff knows.
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I knew beforehand. I'd say it's a bit more commonly known than you think.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
So you're implying that Christina sticking out her hand for Mary to "kiss it" probably never happened if no one else comes out and say that Christina did the exact same thing to them? As if a person greets everyone the same way... None of us were there to know what really happened, but from someone who has followed Mary, I don't see why Mary would just pick on Christina and say that she did something when she didn't. And there may have been a slight misunderstanding of some sort, but that doesn't mean Mary didn't have the right to get offended or there wasn't some intent on Christina's part. Like I said, none of us were there to know exactly what happened, but we can only go on what was said about the incident and the histories of both parties involved. And many people recant statements or get interview pulled as a form of damage control, saving face or avoiding the media from latching on to things. Also, Valerie Bertinelli and Vin Diesel have said that Christina had a bad attitude upon meeting them.
I'm sorry, but I just don't believe in this "Christina's the victim" implication that's going on here. If several people have said something about Christina, then chances are some of it's true and Christina has an issue. I don't see any reason to pick on Christina for any reason. Most of these artists and celebs have just as much as she does & probably more, or they could have easily targeted someone who has more than Christina.
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What I'm saying is that her perception of what happened was probably not accurate. And you know Mary has her own reputation too, whether its justified or not. It's not like Mary has a Celine Dion or Carrie Underwood reputation compared to Christina's. Christina could have been trying to shake her hand, and Mary J thought she was demanding a kiss. We don't know. And if you follow Mary J, and think she wouldn't do something like this, I follow Christina, and I don't see why she would do something like this either. Like you said, we don't know what really happened.
I didn't say Christina was the victim. All I'm saying is that of the situations I know of, most of them are not true, or were provoked by other people, where they did something to her first, and then she responded. And as far as I know, the Vin Diesel thing is false.
And you know how people are like when they don't like someone, they will take something and run with it. And it happens with other people too, like I mentioned before, all the people who disliked Gaga, took the Osbourne incident and ran with it, or even the Beyonce lip synch thing that just happened. People who don't like her were looking for ammo and ran with it. Or really any other incident or rumors with anyone.
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Yes.
Christinas and Azealias...
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Originally posted by Kworb
Only if you piss off the wrong people and radio/TV bans your music. The general public doesn't really care about the artist's personality.
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Yeah, I just agreed with Slay earlier back about that. If attitude does cause someone's downfall, it's probably more related to rubbing the gatekeepers of radio the wrong way. Not so much rubbing the GP the wrong way.
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Somehow, but not that much, it depends tbh
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Originally posted by atrlster
Mariah started it with Christina. She has insecurity with younger singers. If you followed Mariah at all, you would know that. Christina had always praised her in her early days, but Mariah felt insecure at the time, because her career was in trouble and felt she was being replaced and compared by someone who was "pop", which she didn't want to be seen as. Christina was supposed to sing at Divas Live one year, but Mariah didn't want her there, so Christina didn't perform. Christina found out what happened and was very hurt. And the latest example of it this is happening right now on TV as we know with Mariah trying to get Nicki off Idol. But this it didn't happen and the truth was exposed.
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Proof is needed for all this defensive, excused filled paragraph. Mariah started nothing with Xtina. From my recollection. You accused him of bringing rumor filled gossip stories yet you use the same device to "prove" your points. When did the "Christina was supposed to sing at Divas Live one year, but Mariah didn't want her there, so Christina didn't perform." happen? Majority of the things like "Mariah felt insecure at the time, because her career was in trouble and felt she was being replaced and compared by someone who was "pop", which she didn't want to be seen as." are your assumptions and things that you cannot prove. Has Mariah said this on an interview?  For every artist that has a problem with Xtina you have fished every excuse in the book to invalidate what they said hence "Mariah started it, P!nk was jealous, Avril is jealous, Mary was on drugs and unstable, Kelly was a bitch, blah blah blah" Its obvious that Xtina has personality issues, its blatantly obvious from her interview to "The Voice". I mean her conceited nature and the fact that she over-estimates herself, her music, and talent is a major turn off and yes, she is a bitch.
As far as my knowledge goes about their "feud" was that Mariah was never warm to Xtina the way she expected (Mariah normally doesn't address newbies other than those she likes like Beyonce) and when Xtina went to Mariah's party, she got kicked out and then Xtina started it all with her interview with GQ magazine......I honestly don't care about their past feud and you should learn to accept things without fishing every excuse possible on planet Earth.
Who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself? I mean Xtina isn't the first "bitch" I mean Madonna, Mariah, and many more are but they don't reach her level of delusion. "Bionic is a masterpiece...." 
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YES. See: Christina Aguilera.
@Above, Azealia hasn't even released her album yet. Sit.
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Well Madonna's known for being bitchy and catty, and she was still successful back then!
Justin Bieber's attitude sucks too from video's I've seen even to his fans, yet he's still famous as f*ck!
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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One name:
Kanye West
He is still super successful both critically and commercially, yet most people strongly dislike him. But his music is pure art, so its hard to resist his music when its easy to resist him.
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It depends, I mean with people like Madonna and Kanye it doesn't seem to matter (even with Mariah) because they can back their shyt up. They have the material, the success, and the career to "back it up". I'm not saying it's justified or anything but its easier to accept it with some people. For Mariah its the "shady diva" personality that has become synonimous with her name; Kanye.......he is an a**hole but his material is just on point. Madonna's bitchiness is just part of her "image" and has been since the beginning. For people like Azealia Banks who have barely out with material and already they've stacked up enemies and for people like Christina who just comes off as a delusional being on top of being bitchy.
I cannot say it'll ruin their careers (maybe for A.Banks) but for the most part it makes people "unsympathetic" when they're not doing well. Nice people fail in their careers too (hence Leona Lewis and many more).
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Originally posted by MCBeth
Proof is needed for all this defensive, excused filled paragraph. Mariah started nothing with Xtina. From my recollection. You accused him of bringing rumor filled gossip stories yet you use the same device to "prove" your points. When did the "Christina was supposed to sing at Divas Live one year, but Mariah didn't want her there, so Christina didn't perform." happen? Majority of the things like "Mariah felt insecure at the time, because her career was in trouble and felt she was being replaced and compared by someone who was "pop", which she didn't want to be seen as." are your assumptions and things that you cannot prove. Has Mariah said this on an interview? For every artist that has a problem with Xtina you have fished every excuse in the book to invalidate what they said hence "Mariah started it, P!nk was jealous, Avril is jealous, Mary was on drugs and unstable, Kelly was a bitch, blah blah blah" Its obvious that Xtina has personality issues, its blatantly obvious from her interview to "The Voice". I mean her conceited nature and the fact that she over-estimates herself, her music, and talent is a major turn off and yes, she is a bitch.
As far as my knowledge goes about their "feud" was that Mariah was never warm to Xtina the way she expected (Mariah normally doesn't address newbies other than those she likes like Beyonce) and when Xtina went to Mariah's party, she got kicked out and then Xtina started it all with her interview with GQ magazine......I honestly don't care about their past feud and you should learn to accept things without fishing every excuse possible on planet Earth.
Who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself? I mean Xtina isn't the first "bitch" I mean Madonna, Mariah, and many more are but they don't reach her level of delusion. "Bionic is a masterpiece...."
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You've only started following Mariah recently right? I dont have the source off hand because its from older posts from a board that aren't around anymore, but I've been following her closely since 1999 and if you were you'd know there was a Divas Live incident that happened in 2000 that started way before that GQ interview. You can look up reports of that happening too, it was reported in the media around that time.
Where did I say P!nk and Avril were jealous? Nowhere
I'm not trying to convince anyone or myself and I'm definitely not making excuses for anyone. If people think Christina or Mariah is a bitch, they will think that way until they change their mind independently.
All I'm saying is that if people are going to accuse someone of something, it should be for something real.
If people made a list of Mariah being bitchy, and most of it was false, I'm sure you'd object to the untrue ones too right?
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Originally posted by MCBeth
It depends, I mean with people like Madonna and Kanye it doesn't seem to matter (even with Mariah) because they can back their shyt up. They have the material, the success, and the career to "back it up". I'm not saying it's justified or anything but its easier to accept it with some people. For Mariah its the "shady diva" personality that has become synonimous with her name; Kanye.......he is an a**hole but his material is just on point. Madonna's bitchiness is just part of her "image" and has been since the beginning. For people like Azealia Banks who have barely out with material and already they've stacked up enemies and for people like Christina who just comes off as a delusional being on top of being bitchy.
I cannot say it'll ruin their careers (maybe for A.Banks) but for the most part it makes people "unsympathetic" when they're not doing well. Nice people fail in their careers too (hence Leona Lewis and many more).
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Christina isn't any more "delusional" than other artists hyping up their work. If people like her music, they get it. If they don't, it's "delusional". And that applies to any artist. Don't act like Mariah hasn't done that kind of stuff herself.
And no, Mariah was never in the Madonna or Kanye category of accepted bitchiness. I mentioned this in an earlier response, but it was towards the end of another post, so maybe it wasn't seen, but when Mariah was in her flopping period, everyone said she was flopping because she was seen as a psycho and bitchy diva to the public. Obviously, it wasn't really that, and more about her lack of radioplay
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Originally posted by Airhead
I dont like Kanye or Christina because of their personalities. No matter how good their music is, I would NEVER buy iy because I think they are snobs. Same goes for Azealia Banks, I use to like her but she is so immature and petty. and her age has nothing to do with it. Her album could be the hottest thing to come out in the past 5 years and I still wouldnt spend my money on it cause her attitude stank.
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I totally agree with you on the azaelia banks. I want to like her so much but she makes it impossible
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Definitely, look at Christina's career. Phenomenal singer, but horrible personality and totally unlikable by the GP. The Voice only hurt her more. I lost so much more respect for her because of that show.
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Madonna is awful to her fans and they still love her.
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Originally posted by atrlster
You've only started following Mariah recently right? I dont have the source off hand because its from older posts from a board that aren't around anymore, but I've been following her closely since 1999 and if you were you'd know there was a Divas Live incident that happened in 2000 that started way before that GQ interview. You can look up reports of that happening too, it was reported in the media around that time.
Where did I say P!nk and Avril were jealous? Nowhere
I'm not trying to convince anyone or myself and I'm definitely not making excuses for anyone. If people think Christina or Mariah is a bitch, they will think that way until they change their mind independently.
All I'm saying is that if people are going to accuse someone of something, it should be for something real.
If people made a list of Mariah being bitchy, and most of it was false, I'm sure you'd object to the untrue ones too right?
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It doesn't matter whether it started today of 5 years ago, there is not legitimate proof of such things occurred, its just a report off a rumor mill. Is this "Mariah didn't want her there" something that could be proven? If we're going to pretend that reports are real (without proof) then I suppose I should believe that Mariah did say "I'd rather sing with a pig then duet with J-Lo" even though that wasn't true?
I wasn't quoting you on what you said about P!nk and Avril I was just giving an example of your reasoning for why what they said wasn't true. Because you know from Mariah to Mary to Avril to P!nk to Kelly to many more they are all somehow in the wrong and Xtina is just caught in all of it, poor her
Like what you're doing right now? Spare me. I will defend her if there in nothing to back it up, like with you right now, but unlike you I won't find a reason behind everything.
From what we know, the first time they have ever addressed each other publicly from their mouths is that GQ beginning and after that to this day that Xtina still mentions Mariah.
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Originally posted by atrlster
Christina isn't any more "delusional" than other artists hyping up their work. If people like her music, they get it. If they don't, it's "delusional". And that applies to any artist. Don't act like Mariah hasn't done that kind of stuff herself.
And no, Mariah was never in the Madonna or Kanye category of accepted bitchiness. I mentioned this in an earlier response, but it was towards the end of another post, so maybe it wasn't seen, but when Mariah was in her flopping period, everyone said she was flopping because she was seen as a psycho and bitchy diva to the public. Obviously, it wasn't really that, and more about her lack of radioplay
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Not at all I own Back to Basics, Stripped, and Bionic in full and I own parts of Lotus and I appreciate her material (even Bionic) but by no means is it a "masterpiece" I also don't have the recollection of people like MJ or Madonna ever bragging about their materials being "masterpieces" like she did. The way she talks about her singing abilities are also very far-fetched.....
I agree Mariah isn't the bitch that Madonna is (nobody is) and Kanye but she has her moments. I know that during her flop days people jumped on her from top to bottom but she was able to come back from that and Xtina just seems like she's in a place where she feels she too good for it. IDK. Bottom point is there is no denying Xtina's attitude, not when its that obvious.
All this doesn't stop me from buying their material if I like it.
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Originally posted by MCBeth
It doesn't matter whether it started today of 5 years ago, there is not legitimate proof of such things occurred, its just a report off a rumor mill. Is this "Mariah didn't want her there" something that could be proven? If we're going to pretend that reports are real (without proof) then I suppose I should believe that Mariah did say "I'd rather sing with a pig then duet with J-Lo" even though that wasn't true?
I wasn't quoting you on what you said about P!nk and Avril I was just giving an example of your reasoning for why what they said wasn't true. Because you know from Mariah to Mary to Avril to P!nk to Kelly to many more they are all somehow in the wrong and Xtina is just caught in all of it, poor her
Like what you're doing right now? Spare me. I will defend her if there in nothing to back it up, like with you right now, but unlike you I won't find a reason behind everything.
From what we know, the first time they have ever addressed each other publicly from their mouths is that GQ beginning and after that to this day that Xtina still mentions Mariah.
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Whether it was Divas Live or another situation, Christina has said that she met Mariah and was disappointed with the way Mariah treated her. That is a not a rumor.
And we're you saying about JLO and the pig is EXACTLY what Im saying. It seems very hypocritical of you to say I'm making "excuses" for Christina, when the stuff I'm mentioning is in the same boat there of rumors and incidents that were provoked by other reason.
How about I name a few things where Mariah didn't provoke the situation or that were untrue. And you defend then? Are you suddenly making excuses for everything too?
How about I list what happened with Nicki, Tommy Motolla, Eminem, Brenda K Starr, that JLO thing, etc. If you defend them all, are you just making excuses for Mariah being a bitch too then?
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Originally posted by MCBeth
Not at all I own Back to Basics, Stripped, and Bionic in full and I own parts of Lotus and I appreciate her material (even Bionic) but by no means is it a "masterpiece" I also don't have the recollection of people like MJ or Madonna ever bragging about their materials being "masterpieces" like she did. The way she talks about her singing abilities are also very far-fetched.....
I agree Mariah isn't the bitch that Madonna is (nobody is) and Kanye but she has her moments. I know that during her flop days people jumped on her from top to bottom but she was able to come back from that and Xtina just seems like she's in a place where she feels she too good for it. IDK. Bottom point is there is no denying Xtina's attitude, not when its that obvious.
All this doesn't stop me from buying their material if I like it.
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But I think you're taking the "masterpiece" line too seriously. She's just saying she stands by her work even though it didn't get a great reception. Mariah's defended Glitter too and people called her delusional, I don't see how that is for either case. What are you expecting them to say? That yes, they hate the album because the public didnt respond well to it?
It's not like when Kanye has something alone the lines of how he knows his album is the best and needs to win album of the year or something along those lines. Now if theres anything that would be called "delusional" that would be it.
And you saying that you think "Xtina just seems like she's in a place where she feels she too good for it" seems like an assumption. Too good for what? You mean her comeback? I think she's really being held back by her kid really 
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Madonna was shady all her career and she still had the best career ever
Christina's relationship with her peers is a bit off. It might have ruined some aspects but i doubt it.
For example you always hear how artist say Beyonce is so nice and genuine. You only have to look at what Jessie J, Alexandra Burke, Leona Lewis, Florence, Rita, Adele say about Bey being such a sweetheart with them.
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