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Music News: Radios: "Suit" will be embraced
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Originally posted by NikkiFloresFan
It's great! Justin's back with Tim, Beyonce's back, Britney's back with Danja and Hit-Boy, Miley's working with Pharrell and Da Internz, Selena wants to go more urban radio's gonna be a lot less "poppy" this year!! Even Lady Gaga's stuff with Madeon and Zedd will be great because it wont be the typical guetta/redone/luke dance stuff.
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Thats the thing, Bey n Brit have walked this territory before but how will Gaga's sound co-exist with urban resurgence on top 40 ??? 
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Originally posted by Boomer
I love S&T but I have to agree. It sucks that great R&B couldn't/can't get play on pop radio. And I'm not talking the Jazmine Sullivan's of the world (though it be nice) but mainstream artists like Usher & Beyonce. When two artists that were mainstays on pop radio in the previous decade can't get their R&B songs played, it makes you think "WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON?!".
Hate making things about race but let's call it what it is.
But you know what, if S&T brings on a change in trend on pop radio, then I'm all for it's success.
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Dont go getting all crazy on me everyone its JUST AN EXAMPLE but I think Justin just has the MJ effect where MJ was loved on all platforms he could kill the R&B/Rap stations and Pop at the same time. the 90's had some great R&B, new jack stuff out there I'm sure people felt like if MJ's having this success why cant we, but never did. If anything it's an accomplishment to Justin that he can do something like that. ya know
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Sorry, I prefer if artists who are actually R&B through and through brought the genre back to the mainstream with something more inventive & better than S&T.
Pop radio ignored "Climax," and that's why trash like "Scream" was promoted there instead.
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OMG, DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love, More & Without You all came a whole album before "Scream". He was already doing generic pop. THATS why people ignored Climax. He had already sold out in the R&B category for the safe generic dance pop.
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
ALL of those artists have released POP singles multiple times in their career, so no, they are not "R&B through and through". They all have massive crossover appeal. Don't try it. You don't know anything about my tastes. Just because I stan for certain artists doesn't mean I don't enjoy a dearth of R&B Soul artists. I love me some Charlie Wilson, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, R Kelly, Aretha as much as you do so don't even go there. 
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I'm talking about those artists mentioned in the article: Miguel, The Weeknd and Frank - artists who have become staples on urban/urban-influenced formats.
Dead @ you naming the OBVIOUS choices, legends. You don't know anything about R&B.
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Originally posted by NEUTRON
OMG, DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love, More & Without You all came a whole album before "Scream". He was already doing generic pop. THATS why people ignored Climax. He had already sold out in the R&B category for the safe generic dance pop.
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None of this changes the fact that "Climax" was ignored by pop radio, and "Scream" & all of Usher's dance tracks were played frequently on that format. "Climax" wasn't some flop. It did decently on iTunes, was a critical hit, and was also a big hit on Rhythmic and Urban radio. Usher "had to" 'sell out' because pop radio didn't want to play his R&B music. Point.
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Originally posted by Bey'Knight
Thats the thing, Bey n Brit have walked this territory before but how will Gaga's sound co-exist with urban resurgence on top 40 ??? |
I think, and i hope im right, that radio is slowly becoming like the 90s pop radio was where you'd have an alanis song then a backstreet boys song then a foo fighters song then a britney song. I can see us going from a justin song to a paramore song to a drake song to a gaga to a lumineers to a beyonce to a mumford song
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Originally posted by atrlster
This is not a pop only thing though. If you look around here, a lot of the people who are core R&B listeners generally don't seem to like it. They know what good R&B is, and they aren't seduced by the hype.
And a lot of the people who are going "OMG! R&B is back! Real music!!!" aren't even regular R&B listeners  LOL |
U've made your point, quite vocally. Can u please not speak for us (R&B listeners)? We know where your allegiance lies around here. Thank you
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Originally posted by NEUTRON
OMG, DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love, More & Without You all came a whole album before "Scream". He was already doing generic pop. THATS why people ignored Climax. He had already sold out in the R&B category for the safe generic dance pop.
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What  Do you realize the same situation can apply to all of those songs you named. There was a point in time where pop radio kind of stopped embracing R&B music. I'm pretty sure when Raymond v. Raymond was released and OMG (the only experimental pop song on the album) was the ONLY single to hit the top 10 it helped influence them to continue releasing pop songs. For every DJ Got Us Fallin In Love, there was a There Goes My Baby, Lil Freak, Hey Daddy, Hot Tottie, etc. None of which pop radio embraced whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Usher "had to" 'sell out' because pop radio didn't want to play his R&B music. Point.
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!!! Basically this.
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
Who are you to say it's not a good R&B song though? You don't get to decide what other people like. Of course there are tons of great R&B songs out there. So basically y'all are mad because Justin is getting attention with his "basic" R&B throwback but your "more innovative" faves are getting paid dust.
The SAME thing happened with EDM fans when David Guetta and Calvin Harris started getting attention with their "basic" dance tracks. The SAME thing happened with dubstep fans when Skrillex started getting attention with his "basic" brostep tracks. And look what happened. It made way for EDM and dubstep to get into the mainstream. Now more innovative artists like Zedd and Madeon are working with Gaga. You guys are seriously doing the most.
I don't remember anyone claiming it was a revolutionary new sound tho.  Why is it a problem that it's popular because it's Justin Timberlake? EDM became popular because of David Guetta. Dubstep became popular because of Skrillex. I'm still not seeing the issue here.
ALL of those artists have released POP singles multiple times in their career, so no, they are not "R&B through and through". They all have massive crossover appeal. Don't try it. You don't know anything about my tastes. Just because I stan for certain artists doesn't mean I don't enjoy a dearth of R&B Soul artists. I love me some Charlie Wilson, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, R Kelly, Aretha as much as you do so don't even go there.
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It's my opinion. You really think anyone would be praising that song if any other artist released it? NO way.
I'm not pressed it's doing well, i knew whatever he released would do well with hype alone.
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whoah whoah it's seriously not that good a song, people are just on JT high after half a decade of nothing in a few weeks it'll drop down drastically, but not enough to flop completely though.
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Originally posted by NikkiFloresFan
I think, and i hope im right, that radio is slowly becoming like the 90s pop radio was where you'd have an alanis song then a backstreet boys song then a foo fighters song then a britney song. I can see us going from a justin song to a paramore song to a drake song to a gaga to a lumineers to a beyonce to a mumford song
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In an ideal world that would be radio nature all of the time but u know what, i feel like i'm entitled to be obstinate; i lived thru an era where radio ignored the very best of Bey's material because it had no home within the genre parenthesis. Bloody hell if another popstar is discriminated against this go round
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I'm talking about those artists mentioned in the article: Miguel, The Weeknd and Frank - artists who have become staples on urban/urban-influenced formats.
Dead @ you naming the OBVIOUS choices, legends. You don't know anything about R&B.
None of this changes the fact that "Climax" was ignored by pop radio, and "Scream" & all of Usher's dance tracks were played frequently on that format. "Climax" wasn't some flop. It did decently on iTunes, was a critical hit, and was also a big hit on Rhythmic and Urban radio. Usher "had to" 'sell out' because pop radio didn't want to play his R&B music. Point.
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Ok. You clearly have no capacity to have a civilized discussion on this topic without attacking someone else's tastes, so I'm done arguing with you. You can keep seething. You're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else is entitled to theirs. My only point here is that I personally, am happy that at least SOMEBODY is getting attention with an R&B track, no matter how "basic" it may be, and whether they're white, black, Hispanic or what have you. And I hope that this makes way for artists like Frank, Miguel and The Weeknd to get their tracks played on the pop format.
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lol @ the swift snatching of Triumphant's wig as if it was just an afterthought.
and im going to tweet the crap out of my radio stations not to play that mess.
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
Ok. You clearly have no capacity to have a civilized discussion on this topic without attacking someone else's tastes, so I'm done arguing with you. You can keep seething. You're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else is entitled to theirs. My only point here is that I personally, am happy that at least SOMEBODY is getting attention with an R&B track, no matter how "basic" it may be, and whether they're white, black, Hispanic or what have you. And I hope that this makes way for artists like Frank, Miguel and The Weeknd to get their tracks played on the pop format. |
And I have nothing against your point of view. I just have mine.
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i think people expected something revolutionary groundbreaking because he's been on hiatus for 5 years. What they fail to factor in is that he didnt spend all those years testing and trying out for a new genre. There's nothing new under the sun anyways
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The song is definitely a bop but for some reason i see people getting tired of it very soon 
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what wrecks me is that this "sound" has been popularized for the last 7 years by Robin Thicke and nobody gives him da credit he deserves as one of the best R&B vocalists in da game ... but let Justin come out with it and he is now ushering a new era of R&B, complete crap
I for one like the song but I don't need da intro or Jay's rap ...
I hope it does smash because of R&B and not because it's Justin
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Also, if they can embraced music by The Lumineers, Carly Rae Jespen, Gotye, Fun., Ellie Goulding - all new or relatively new artists - then there shouldn't be an issue with embracing new R&B acts. We shouldn't need Justin, who already has a history at pop radio and is coming back, to bring them to the surface. But I do blame the labels for this.
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Yay for JT 
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Originally posted by NikkiFloresFan
I think, and i hope im right, that radio is slowly becoming like the 90s pop radio was where you'd have an alanis song then a backstreet boys song then a foo fighters song then a britney song. I can see us going from a justin song to a paramore song to a drake song to a gaga to a lumineers to a beyonce to a mumford song
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i don't think that's exactly where we're at, but basically that's what mainstream radio and charts is turning into, just all around variety and that's what pop radio should be, it should be more vocal and diverse but also catchy and relatable enough for everyone to agree that we live in a year or era of generally and genuinely good songs. 2012 proved that it's possible for today's radio to have that aspect now it's just up to the GP to keep the trend going for hopefully this year and the next and perhaps it'll be enough to save this decade musically.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Also, if they can embraced music by The Lumineers, Carly Rae Jespen, Gotye, Fun., Ellie Goulding - all new or relatively new artists - then there shouldn't be an issue with embracing new R&B acts. We shouldn't need Justin, who already has a history at pop radio and is coming back, to bring them to the surface. But I do blame the labels for this.
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Hmm I havent heard The Lumineers, Carly, Goyte, Fun or Ellie on my HipHop & RNB stations
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