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Discussion: Did Christina wait too long?
Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by Xtina Culture
Most delusional statement I have ever read.
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Her writing is terrible and is taken note of. See her album reviews from critics. She's praised for being a "vocalist" but she has no control and continues to ruin her voice. So it is not delusional. Her albums are trashed and her singing is overrated just because she is loud. So my opinion has some meat... While you can just write one sentence insulting it.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by Xtina Culture
Most delusional statement I have ever read.
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He's right, she has only one album that earned good reviews:
At least her best-reviewed album is truly her best release.
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Member Since: 12/28/2011
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Originally posted by NYotov
She always takes really long between albums which is why she flopped twice in a row. Gurl you gotta strike the iron while it's hot.
That 2 year gap between Bionic/Lotus was a really big mistake. But oh well, she's always been like that so if she's happy doing this then I'm happy I guess..
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I don't think there will be any more gaps if you know what I mean. 
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by atrlster
It wasn't just the tabloids, it was the general media against her. Where is the proof that more people generally were supportive than not? Cause from what I remember, there were much more people celebrating her downfall than feeling sorry for her.
Not true at all. Like I said if that was the case, so many people who are seen as "unlikeable" would not be doing well. Read my post above, DanceForYou, and even that other Britney fan agreeing, the the GP doesn't know/doesn't care about this alleged "attitude". Even if you feel she comes off badly, most people don't know/care about it. This is just something online stans try to come up with, almost naively ("Oh, her attitude is bad, no wonder she's not successful")
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Enough Britney as I have my thoughts, you have yours and it is essentially off topic.
As for the personality, you're wrong. Dance For You is wrong and IDC what Stan agreed it is incorrect.
How you come off in your public image plays in your success. No. Matter. What. Chris and Kanye are apart of a culture that is forgiving and faithful so they are not examples. Even so, Christopher did receive his backlash initially. As did Ye. He even completely went away following the Taylor incident concerning this criticism. He's also provided enough quality material for his pig attitude to be overlooked or even rejoiced by his followers. It is not an online thing, it's been apart of crafting a public figure for as long as the idea of Hollywood has been around. You can read up in this.
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Who cares about the critics though? Like seeing that Stripped is her lowest score overall just goes to show how much of a joke that is. She has had some great songs lyrically.  Also, she doesn't know how to control her voice nowadays but there's no denying she has vocal ability.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by DanceForYou
Who cares about the critics though? Like seeing that Stripped is her lowest score overall just goes to show how much of a joke that is. She has had some great songs lyrically. Also, she doesn't know how to control her voice nowadays but there's no denying she has vocal ability. |
You don't have to care about the critics, but they still matter in such discussions. Stripped is an atrocious album.
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Member Since: 2/26/2006
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The problem was the wait between Back To Basics and Bionic. She should have released a brand new album in 2008.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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tbh, I think she waited too long after B2B era. She lost alot of interest in those 4 years..
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Member Since: 4/25/2011
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Originally posted by Duca
He's right, she has only one album that earned good reviews:
At least her best-reviewed album is truly her best release. |
Seriously? 
But I agree with you on 'Back to Basics' it really is amazing. Stripped had great singles but there are a lot of fillers on that album.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by Duca
He's right, she has only one album that earned good reviews:
At least her best-reviewed album is truly her best release. |
She needs to get back into that headspace. She's not creative or exciting as she was that era. Everything is very lazy or deluded (Bionic)
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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I don't think her breaks were too long.
1999 Christina Aguilera
2000 Mi Reflejo
2000 My Kind Of Christmas (October)
2002 Stripped
2006 Back To Basics
2008 Keeps Gettin' Better
2010 Bionic
2010 Burlesque (November)
2012 Lotus
She didn't release any albums in 2001, 2003-2005, 2007, 2009, and 2011, but she had other material out to keep her name out there.
2001 Two high-profile collabos: 'Lady Marmalade' + 'Nobody Wants To Be Lonely'
2003-2004 Still promoting 'Stripped' + the Nelly collabo
2007 Still promoting 'Back To Basics' + tour
2011 Still promoting the 'Burlesque' soundtrack early in the year and 'Moves Like Jagger' later
2009 was the only year she did nothing.
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Member Since: 10/13/2010
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Originally posted by DR3ch
No. She is a flop anyway |
You're ****ing stupid.
And to answer the original question yes she did wait for too long.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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She takes ridiculously long breaks between albums. Instead of a greatest hits album in 2008 (which was premature in 2008 anyway in my opinion), she should've released a more current album than Back to Basics. No one should wait 4 years inbetween their albums unless they're an indisputable industry icon/legend. Let alone the fact you shouldn't wait 4 years to release a new album after the previous one (Back to Basics) did not get many big hits & was a very conceptual retro album. Inbetween, she released the lukewarm Keeps Gettin Better, which is a terrible song. Album sales declined on their own. And she completely 180'd her image between BtB & Bionic, which was a terrible move which have her no consistency with the public. You can't go from Baby Jane to futuristic naughty pop star like that. There was no gradual change.
She also waited too long between Lotus & Bionic. You don't let a flop like Bionic sit for 2 years. She should've gone to the studio enough to get an album out Q4 2011. Lotus was a year overdue. Lotus is also mediocre as an album (especially the album cover) besides obvious standouts.
She's not consistent, but I think the 4 year break & the first few months of Bionic were the biggest detriments to her career. She followed up BtB with something so different that some/many were left confused.
She needs to learn consistency, & be quicker. She should go back to music like BtB if she wants a future in music, since that seems to be the last time she saw decent success. She is mostly done with getting bit Hot 100 hits, so she should work on getting an album buying fanbase back instead.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
She needs to get back into that headspace. She's not creative or exciting as she was that era. Everything is very lazy or deluded (Bionic)
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I think a huge reason why she doesn’t have an established fan base is that she’s musically lost. You can't forever get away with genre hopping. I hate to use Britney as an example since they used to be rivals, but she has experimented with nearly every genre known to man while staying true to herself.
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Member Since: 10/13/2010
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Originally posted by Duca
I think a huge reason why she doesn’t have an established fan base is that she’s musically lost. I hate to use Britney as an example since they used to be rivals, but she has experimented with nearly every genre known to man while staying true to herself.
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That's unfortunately true. She were in top with Stripped and Back to Basics but she peaked back then. I still love her music but she is not that unique artist anymore she used to be.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by Duca
I think a huge reason why she doesn’t have an established fan base is that she’s musically lost. I hate to use Britney as an example since they used to be rivals, but she has experimented with nearly every genre known to man while staying true to herself.
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I've thought that myself before I believe. She likes the idea of "experiments" but it stops there. I don't think she throws herself into then as much as she claims, just enjoys being able to say she did this & that and only music people will get it.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Duca
I think a huge reason why she doesn’t have an established fan base is that she’s musically lost. You can't forever get away with genre hopping. I hate to use Britney as an example since they used to be rivals, but she has experimented with nearly every genre known to man while staying true to herself.
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I think I know what you mean. When Britney experiments, it's more like she uses an influence, but still stays pop. When Christina experiments, she goes all the way, and that can be very abrasive for someone whose main audience is still pop
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by atrlster
I think I know what you mean. When Britney experiments, it's more like she uses an influence, but still stays pop. When Christina experiments, she goes all the way, and that can be very abrasive for someone whose main audience is still pop
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Christina very much stays pop too. Her music isn't as experimental as she herself and her stans believe it is.
It still puzzles me why following the current mindless pop trend with her last two efforts did nothing for her.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
How you come off in your public image plays in your success. No. Matter. What. Chris and Kanye are apart of a culture that is forgiving and faithful so they are not examples. Even so, Christopher did receive his backlash initially. As did Ye. He even completely went away following the Taylor incident concerning this criticism. He's also provided enough quality material for his pig attitude to be overlooked or even rejoiced by his followers. It is not an online thing, it's been apart of crafting a public figure for as long as the idea of Hollywood has been around. You can read up in this.
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Image may be part of it, but the things people say Christina has done barely register with the GP. One sided conflicts with Kelly Osbourne and The Wanted? She's never had anything that seriously struck a chord with the public like those two. Kanye has always been arrogant from the moment he arrived and he's never been apologetic of how he is. Anything Christina may have possibly said is nowhere near the stuff he's said about himself. I don't think quality of material has to do with it either. Anything Kanye does is always praised like its the second coming no matter what  So its not he like he redeemed himself with quality. Chris Brown definitely did not get redemption with quality either, but that one was due to the lack of it. lol
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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Stripped lasted two years so the break didn't seem too bad. Greatest hit to bionic and bionic to lotus was unnescessary
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