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Discussion: Big-Foot/Sasquatch: Fact or Fantasy?
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Yes it does matter. For it to be a "theory" they actually does need to be some evidence. That is for a scientific theory, which I assume you would be talking about. It doesn't have to be directory evidence, like the fossil of a mermaid, but all the species we have encountered that live in the bottom of the ocean have much more time inbetween them and what their ancestors evolved into.
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No, not really.
All I'm saying is that it's possible. You can't argue with that.
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
See where I said burial traditions.
And yes, people can believe in whatever they want. If people want to believe in resurrection and immaculate conceptions I can retain hope that some form of intelligent, humanoid oceanic life is out there hiding from us. It makes the world more magical for me, I wish more people had something like that. The world is so much more beautiful when you look at it with an open mind.
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Yes, I could see how believing in mermaids would make the world more magical. Good for you for having hope.
However, there's enough evidence against it for it to be dismissed. That doesn't mean you can't believe in it, though.
I'll believe it when I see it. And if that makes me close-minded, than woopdy-****ing-doo. I'll live my entire life "close-minded," because I need evidence to believe in things. I don't just accept things as they are. Because that is a pretty damn good way to lack an "open mind."
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Bea.
See where I said burial traditions.
And yes, people can believe in whatever they want. If people want to believe in resurrection and immaculate conceptions I can retain hope that some form of intelligent, humanoid oceanic life is out there hiding from us. It makes the world more magical for me, I wish more people had something like that. The world is so much more beautiful when you look at it with an open mind.
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Indeed. I'm glad I saw someone on ATRL that has mostly the same beliefs as me.
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I see that mermaids bring all the girls to the yard,
And they're like you're going too far
And I'm like you're trying to hard
Just to say it's not in the cards
Yall better clap your hands and say I believe cause there are fairies and all sorts of mythical creatures dropping all over because of your cynicism.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Yes, I could see how believing in mermaids would make the world more magical. Good for you for having hope.
However, there's enough evidence against it for it to be dismissed. That doesn't mean you can't believe in it, though.
I'll believe it when I see it. And if that makes me close-minded, than woopdy-****ing-doo. I'll live my entire life "close-minded."
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I think you mean the lack of evidence is why it should be dismissed. We don't know enough about evolution to definitively say the transitional period between an aquatic humanoid and a terrestrial humanoid would have taken X amount of years.
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Member Since: 4/5/2012
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Yes, I could see how believing in mermaids would make the world more magical. Good for you for having hope.
However, there's enough evidence against it for it to be dismissed. That doesn't mean you can't believe in it, though.
I'll believe it when I see it. And if that makes me close-minded, than woopdy-****ing-doo. I'll live my entire life "close-minded," because I need evidence to believe in things. I don't just accept things as they are. Because that is a pretty damn good way to lack an "open mind."
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But could you say there is sufficient evidence to not believe in them,
when there are so many places unexplored and so many things unexplained?
Our knowledge pertaining to evolution is still very limited.
I don't believe in them, just trying to play devil's advocate
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
I see that mermaids bring all the girls to the yard,
And they're like you're going too far
And I'm like you're trying to hard
Just to say it's not in the cards
Yall better clap your hands and say I believe cause there are fairies and all sorts of mythical creatures dropping all over because of your cynicism.
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I'm sorry, I get carried away so easily. 
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Yes, I could see how believing in mermaids would make the world more magical. Good for you for having hope.
However, there's enough evidence against it for it to be dismissed. That doesn't mean you can't believe in it, though.
I'll believe it when I see it. And if that makes me close-minded, than woopdy-****ing-doo. I'll live my entire life "close-minded," because I need evidence to believe in things. I don't just accept things as they are. I take them, and if they don't make sense, I challenge them.
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I guarantee there is plenty of things you do in life and believe in without evidence, otherwise the world would be a very sad place.
You can go ahead and imply that I am stupid for believing something out of the ordinary is possible, I know better about myself and about my theories.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
No, not really.
All I'm saying is that it's possible. You can't argue with that.
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Yes I can.
In order to considered something possible and argue intelligentally about it, you still need some foundational evidence as to why you think it is possible.
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by mariska
I think you mean the lack of evidence is why it should be dismissed. We don't know enough about evolution to definitively say the transitional period between an aquatic humanoid and a terrestrial humanoid would have taken X amount of years.
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The lack of evidence is the evidence against their existence. There's no hint of a transitional species anywhere in the fossil record. I think that's some pretty solid evidence against the existence of mermaids.
Then again, maybe they're hiding.
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Originally posted by Dickard
But could you say there is sufficient evidence to not believe in them,
when there are so many places unexplored and so many things unexplained?
Our knowledge pertaining to evolution is still very limited.
I don't believe in them, just trying to play devil's advocate
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This is somewhat true, I guess. Having not studied the majority of the ocean, we're obviously missing a lot. But in the case of mermaids, an aquatic humanoid, if they do exist, there'd be something, somewhere in the fossil record that showed some sort of transition.
Probably.
Our knowledge of human evolution is lacking, after all...but it's not so lacking that scientists would miss an entire branch of our "aquatic cousins."
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Originally posted by Bea.
I guarantee there is plenty of things you do in life and believe in without evidence, otherwise the world would be a very sad place.
You can go ahead and imply that I am stupid for believing something out of the ordinary is possible, I know better about myself and about my theories.
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Noooo, I never once even thought you were being stupid. You're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, I just don't believe in this opinion of yours, apparently.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Yes I can.
In order to considered something possible and argue intelligentally about it, you still need some foundational evidence as to why you think it is possible.
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Which has been given and has been ignored.
If you don't think it is possible in any way, why are you arguing about it? Like really, you could have stated your opinion and left rather than spending an hour on it.
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Originally posted by Bea.
People believe in much more far fetched things than mermaids, in fact there are massive buildings dedicated to more far fetched things the world over.
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and I agree
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Tbh it could be fact.
I mean there is soooo much of the Ocean we have yet to discover and won't for a long time, but it's also that part of the ocean where it is pitch black and some of the nastiest creatures live. So I don't think that a mermaid would be this gorgeous looking thing, but something that still has the features, but us as humans made it out to be more beautiful then reality.
If there is any 
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Yes I can.
In order to considered something possible and argue intelligentally about it, you still need some foundational evidence as to why you think it is possible.
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My "foundational evidence" is that evolution between terrestrial animals and aquatic animals has happened before. There are some discrepancies within the time period of this type of evolution, but there isn't any evidence that would disprove it. It taking longer for other organisms to evolve doesn't prove anything.
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Originally posted by (Cole)
The lack of evidence is the evidence against their existence. There's no hint of a transitional species anywhere in the fossil record. I think that's some pretty solid evidence against the existence of mermaids.
Then again, maybe they're hiding.
Noooo, I never once even thought you were being stupid. You're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, I just don't believe in this opinion of yours, apparently. |
A total lack of evidence doesn't discount or prove anything, though.
So why discount the theory completely when there is no evidence supporting either way?
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Member Since: 4/29/2012
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by (Cole)
The lack of evidence is the evidence against their existence. There's no hint of a transitional species anywhere in the fossil record. I think that's some pretty solid evidence against the existence of mermaids.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Noooo, I never once even thought you were being stupid. You're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, I just don't believe in this opinion of yours, apparently.
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And I suppose you don't believe in unicorns, fairies, ents, aliens, talking animals, ghosts or that Ciara will have a massive comeback either?
Some people just don't wanna embrace the unknown and mythological.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
My "foundational evidence" is that evolution between terrestrial animals and aquatic animals has happened before. There are some discrepancies within the time period of this types of evolution, but there isn't any evidence that would disprove it. It taking longer for other organisms doesn't prove anything.
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I haven't seen this evidence. Please, list animals that have evolved from terrestrial to aquatic (as in, bottom of the ocean) oh and do please cite your sources. 
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