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Celeb News: "Teams of songwriters are ruining music" says Noel Gallagher
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"Teams of songwriters are ruining music" says Noel Gallagher
Noel Gallagher (former Oasis guitarist / songwriter), who releases new album 'Chasing Yesterday' in March, revealed this in a new interview with BBC Radio Four.
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As the conversation turned to the subject of song writing, Gallagher chastised the way some songs are written. "We live in a time where I would say 90 per cent of people don't write their own songs anymore and they get away with it because of iTunes and the internet because there's no album covers anymore so nobody looks at who is writing the songs and arranging the songs," he said.
He then revealed that he would not be interested in writing a song for another artist. "It's something that I have been asked to do on a couple of occasions, and I just think that they're just performers aren't they? Unless you do your own stuff, what are you? You're just a performing seal for somebody else. I've co-written tracks with The Chemical Brothers and stuff like that, but I've never written a song for anybody else, I wouldn't have the nerve to ask anybody else to write me a song. Write your own songs, what you asking me for?!
"I know it's a thing and people do it but that's what is ruining music, these teams of songwriters. I was at the Ivor Novello Awards once and no word of a lie, song of the year, nine people got up accept this award and they read out the winner and they read out all these names and they all got up and they all gave a little speech. It took him longer to read the names out than the song!"
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In the same interview, Noel was asked whether he thinks the music scene in Britain is in good health, or whether it requires inspiration.
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"Well you only have to look at the charts, what happened at the end of the '90s, all those bands used to be in the Top 10, like us (Oasis), Manic, Pulp, The Verve, Suede and Blur, and I think bands like that have been marginalised and side-lined," he replied. "There's X Factor and all that kind of thing, can you name me the last great band that came out of this country? There's not really been any great bands in the last 10 years."
When it was put to him that One Direction might be considered great in terms of their global success and fame, Gallagher added: "They're not a band, they’re a group and good luck to those lads. Arctic Monkeys and Kasabian, that's ten years ago now and shame on those two bands for a start because they didn't inspire anybody else. The working classes have not got a voice anymore, there doesn't seem to be a noise coming from the council estates, you know what I mean?"
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He has a point but if these "teams" write better music than other songwriters then it's not hurting anyone because we're getting good music anyway, it'd ruin "music" if we were getting bad songs, I guess.
Anyway, all of my faves are songwriters so that's not a problem.
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I agree! How dare music be a collaborative process!
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If the song is good, what does it matter?
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Originally posted by havefaithrestart
He has a point but if these "teams" write better music than other songwriters then it's not hurting anyone because we're getting good music anyway, it'd ruin "music" if we were getting bad songs, I guess.
Anyway, all of my faves are songwriters so that's not a problem.
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Except, for the most part, songwriting teams lead to the same songs being made a thousand times over to ensure hits. If the process is organic, it usually (but not always), doesn't sound authentic.
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this guy is so obnoxious
writing teams are abt as old as pop music itself, which is probably why only dadrock fossils can't seem to stop talking about how x is ruining music
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Originally posted by LoveInStereo
Except, for the most part, songwriting teams lead to the same songs being made a thousand times over to ensure hits. If the process is organic, it usually (but not always), doesn't sound authentic.
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SOME songwriting teams, not all of them. Plus the lyrics could be good and a producer can ruin the song with a generic sound to make it a hit, so that's another topic that has nothing to do with the songwriting process.
Anyway, I do agree with him and I'd rather everyone write their own songs but if it's not possible, then it's better to have songwriting teams than artists singing ****** songs because they can't write.
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He has a point.
And it's always the most (lyrically) basic songs that have 10 writers on them.
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Some songwriting teams are bad I don't really like Katy's that much. I prefer it when she writes her material solely or with one or two other contributer.
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who cares
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Originally posted by havefaithrestart
He has a point but if these "teams" write better music than other songwriters then it's not hurting anyone because we're getting good music anyway, it'd ruin "music" if we were getting bad songs, I guess.
Anyway, all of my faves are songwriters so that's not a problem.
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Exactly this. I don't see what the big deal is. People have to make a living somehow. Not everybody can be good at everything or a jack of all trades. I'd rather have an amazing performer like Beyonce singing Sia's amazing lyrics and vocal melodies than to have her write her own material that may end up being crap. And vice versa. There's a lot of songwriters who can barely hold a note but they write beautiful songs. There are some teams that work very well together. The Smeezingtons come to mind.
He sounds mad that he's not relevant in pop music anymore tbh. Stop hating on everybody else and focus on your own career. Lead by example, instead of spouting off at the mouth.
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Actually, he has a valid point. It's not about that he is not relevant anymore. Noel has talked a lot of BS over the years, but the thing he is actually saying is that the artists themselves become replaceable.
Being a professional songwriter and producer is way more profitable than being an artist in the spotlight.
These teams of sogwriters can easily replace the artist when they think they are done or becoming annoying or whatever.
Personally, I prefer artists who write their own material themselves. They can have somebody they are co-working with, but at least they have to be the force behind the song
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The stans of artists who write their own music will agree
The stans of artists that can't write their own music will disagree
/endthread
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I agree completely, especially with the part about British scene and X Factor
And yes, pro songwriters were always a part of pop music, but 9 people for one song is a little too much imo.
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I agree, even though some people in my sig have multiple songwriters too. It makes the song feel less genuine to me if 9 different people made changes and interventions. It's less authentic and personal, if that makes sense.
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I agree. For example, all of Katy's best songs are either just her or her + one other person. When there's 4 or more writers it just takes away so much from the song in most cases
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There have ALWAYS been teams of songwriters though.
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I can't even deal with the pretentiousness of both of these quotes
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The last part about the bands that aren't top 10 anymore. Lord. He's no better than the high school kids who complain about Pop music and are fans of "real music"
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