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"There Can't Be Five Black Girls Winning" Tinashe
Member Since: 9/11/2010
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Originally posted by Repo
A lot of truth to this, but I feel like the advocates need to be strongly directing it at the labels, producers, etc. It's not the audience that's opposed to diversity, it's the people in charge. And I don't think they get the amount of fumes they deserve at all (a lot of it actually seems to be channeled to those who are advantaging from teh system, but in no way, shape, or form are responsible for it. For example, Macklemore and his Grammy)
Of course, this doesn't mean racism is the only reason Tinashe is struggling to make it huge or Nicki hasn't won a Grammy. Things like talent and marketing absolutely do come into play as well, but it is true that they start off on a disadvantaged playing field when starting out, and particularly when trying to get signed to or pushed by a label.
Privilege mainly plays a role behind the scenes, like with getting pushed by a label or signed to one. That's where the major disadvantages come in. Most listeners don't care whatsoever about the artist's race as long as they like the song
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This I agree with a lot. There's a lot more truth behind labels and the older people behind a company shunning people of color than the audience itself. A lot of this has to do with who is in charge. A lot of labels are ran by people who were born when segregation was still legal. Granted, they may have been super young, but there's a good chance their parents were racist. Even if they aren't directly or intentionally racist like their parents, a lot of them still have this white privilage mentality that carries on into their business decisions. As sad as it is to say, once a lot of the older leaders in Hollywood die off, we will start to see the change. Not just in terms of race, but sexuality too. We have seen more and more gay actors come out, but the music industry just still seems behind. Who is telling these kids that it will ruin their career? I hardly think it matters anymore. I think it's going to take about 5-10 more years before we really see a shift in the music industry.
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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Why did she mention the other two and only called one of them black?
Stop being bitter and work your ass off to get there. Ugh.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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No I don't agree. Beyonce, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Zendaya ... Hell even white artists like Gaga and Katy Perry and Miley... They all exist in the same spectrum but they're all soooooo so different musically and image-wise. That is why every Bey and Rih clone never prosper. Why settle for an imitation when you have the real deal?
If she wants to make it, she needs to find a lane nobody is really in and own it. She already has but she wants to blow up right away and it's not realistic.
Bey is already the glam diva, Rih is already the carefree ghetto-fabulous fashionista. Find an aesthetic that works for you so even if your music is similar to theirs, your image will set you apart. That is the key to making it
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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Originally posted by KORDEI
No I don't agree. Beyonce, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Zendaya ... Hell even white artists like Gaga and Katy Perry and Miley... They all exist in the same spectrum but they're all soooooo so different musically and image-wise. That is why every Bey and Rih clone never prosper. Why settle for an imitation when you have the real deal?
If she wants to make it, she needs to find a lane nobody is really in and own it. She already has but she wants to blow up right away and it's not realistic.
Bey is already the glam diva, Rih is already the carefree ghetto-fabulous fashionista. Find an aesthetic that works for you so even if your music is similar to theirs, your image will set you apart. That is the key to making it
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Zendaya & Jourdan Dunn? 
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Member Since: 9/11/2010
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Originally posted by KORDEI
No I don't agree. Beyonce, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Zendaya ... Hell even white artists like Gaga and Katy Perry and Miley... They all exist in the same spectrum but they're all soooooo so different musically and image-wise. That is why every Bey and Rih clone never prosper. Why settle for an imitation when you have the real deal?
If she wants to make it, she needs to find a lane nobody is really in and own it. She already has but she wants to blow up right away and it's not realistic.
Bey is already the glam diva, Rih is already the carefree ghetto-fabulous fashionista. Find an aesthetic that works for you so even if your music is similar to theirs, your image will set you apart. That is the key to making it
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This is exactly my point!
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Member Since: 1/31/2012
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Random list, but she's got a point. Nowadays it's hard for multiple black women to succeed in the mainstream.
10 years ago it was so opposite.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Cain
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No, add nicki
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by KORDEI
No I don't agree. Beyonce, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Zendaya ... Hell even white artists like Gaga and Katy Perry and Miley... They all exist in the same spectrum but they're all soooooo so different musically and image-wise. That is why every Bey and Rih clone never prosper. Why settle for an imitation when you have the real deal?
If she wants to make it, she needs to find a lane nobody is really in and own it. She already has but she wants to blow up right away and it's not realistic.
Bey is already the glam diva, Rih is already the carefree ghetto-fabulous fashionista. Find an aesthetic that works for you so even if your music is similar to theirs, your image will set you apart. That is the key to making it
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I agree 100% that this is why Tinashe specifically is struggling. I don't agree that this proves there's no racism with the industry higher ups.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by dperkins
This I agree with a lot. There's a lot more truth behind labels and the older people behind a company shunning people of color than the audience itself. A lot of this has to do with who is in charge. A lot of labels are ran by people who were born when segregation was still legal. Granted, they may have been super young, but there's a good chance their parents were racist. Even if they aren't directly or intentionally racist like their parents, a lot of them still have this white privilage mentality that carries on into their business decisions. As sad as it is to say, once a lot of the older leaders in Hollywood die off, we will start to see the change. Not just in terms of race, but sexuality too. We have seen more and more gay actors come out, but the music industry just still seems behind. Who is telling these kids that it will ruin their career? I hardly think it matters anymore. I think it's going to take about 5-10 more years before we really see a shift in the music industry.
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I am hoping this is the case. At least somewhat. And I do think it very well might be. I'm expecting to see a lot more equal treatment of people in the industry as new generations take control. I also hope this means more equal representation in fiction (it's not horrible to get work for a gay actor, but the amount of gay leads in a film NOT centered around a gay romance story can be practically counted on one hand. And forget about it in TV)
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by KORDEI
No I don't agree. Beyonce, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Zendaya ... Hell even white artists like Gaga and Katy Perry and Miley... They all exist in the same spectrum but they're all soooooo so different musically and image-wise. That is why every Bey and Rih clone never prosper. Why settle for an imitation when you have the real deal?
If she wants to make it, she needs to find a lane nobody is really in and own it. She already has but she wants to blow up right away and it's not realistic.
Bey is already the glam diva, Rih is already the carefree ghetto-fabulous fashionista. Find an aesthetic that works for you so even if your music is similar to theirs, your image will set you apart. That is the key to making it
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That's what she was trying to explain. It's not fair how black male rappers can sound/look the same and still succeed, whereas she can't. She's under more scrutiny because of her image or lack thereof because of her color and gender.
I feel for her but this is why her and RCA need to develop a plan before an era starts and then stick with it. If her budget is small then she should do as many small tours and guest appearances to save up and fund the stuff herself.
All of her single choices should be preplanned and they should have the live performance choregraphy with costumes and staging all rehearsed. The music video concept boards should be completed BEFORE even beginning the era. Also her music videos need to be better. AHOD and 2 On were ok, but the Player MV was not the right look for that song.
Her dancing was cute but it's not the image she needs which is why she's still not making it. When I hear the song Player, I think of nighttime and dancing scenes outside of Vegas. I think of bright lights, a club scene, and some street scenes. She needs to image herself as a star and she'll be one. Or she needs to go home and try again when she's ready.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Jezang Looz
That's what she was trying to explain. It's not fair how black male rappers can sound/look the same and still succeed, whereas she can't. She's under more scrutiny because of her image or lack thereof because of her color and gender.
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I think it might be more of a genre thing. Rap is a lot more forgiving of people sounding the same than pop is, partially since the two target 100%, completely different demographics. And let's be real, pop fans are a lot less forgiving of imitators than rap fans are.
Not to say racism and sexism don't run rampant with higher ups. But I don't think audience finding Tinashe too generic as a problem is instant sexism when she's targeting a totally different demo than the rappers
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by Jezang Looz
That's what she was trying to explain. It's not fair how black male rappers can sound/look the same and still succeed, whereas she can't. She's under more scrutiny because of her image or lack thereof because of her color and gender.
I feel for her but this is why her and RCA need to develop a plan before an era starts and then stick with it. If her budget is small then she should do as many small tours and guest appearances to save up and fund the stuff herself.
All of her single choices should be preplanned and they should have the live performance choregraphy with costumes and staging all rehearsed. The music video concept boards should be completed BEFORE even beginning the era. Also her music videos need to be better. AHOD and 2 On were ok, but the Player MV was not the right look for that song.
Her dancing was cute but it's not the image she needs which is why she's still not making it. When I hear the song Player, I think of nighttime and dancing scenes outside of Vegas. I think of bright lights, a club scene, and some street scenes. She needs to image herself as a star and she'll be one. Or she needs to go home and try again when she's ready.
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There's a reason why you have your Jays and Kanyes and then you have your Futures and Young Thugs that have radio hits here and there but sell next to nothing and are far from being massive acts. Besides, that's just strictly an urban radio thing. If she's speaking mainstream-wise, Top 40 is what matters the most and to truly stand out there, you just have to be different. Why does she want to be the same anyway?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by J P O W
Zendaya & Jourdan Dunn? |
Jourdan Dunn posted with Naomi Campbell, as being the face of Burberry, first black model to enter the Forbes rich list, landed a solo Vogue cover (after white models marked their territory for 12 years), first black model to walk the Prada catwalk in 10 years, represented Britain in the 2012 Olympics closing ceremony, has walked the Victoria Secret's Angel show 3 times, ambassador for Sickle Cell (her son has the disease and she's been doing all these achievements as a single mother) all from just being discovered at Primark (not sure if you know what that is, but it's like the cheapest clothing retail store in the UK). She deserves to be mentioned.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Repo
I think it might be more of a genre thing. Rap is a lot more forgiving of people sounding the same than pop is, partially since the two target 100%, completely different demographics. And let's be real, pop fans are a lot less forgiving of imitators than rap fans are.
Not to say racism and sexism don't run rampant with higher ups. But I don't think audience finding Tinashe too generic as a problem is instant sexism when she's targeting a totally different demo than the rappers
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True
The urban community hates Derulo and laughs and labels him a Chris clone
Glad the pop crowd sees him for the chameleon he truly is...and hes dark skin
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by KORDEI
There's a reason why you have your Jays and Kanyes and then you have your Futures and Young Thugs that have radio hits here and there but sell next to nothing and are far from being massive acts. Besides, that's just strictly an urban radio thing. If she's speaking mainstream-wise, Top 40 is what matters the most and to truly stand out there, you just have to be different. Why does she want to be the same anyway?
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And what do all of these people share? Rap music. They make that. Tinashe is something of an Urban Pop/R&B girl. That's different and targets a different audience. You have to compare artists in the same genre. What the fans of country want does NOT overlap with what popgirl stans want or what rap fans want.
As said, not to say racism and sexism aren't heavily present, but this isn't a good example. There's other major factors at play which make it impossible to truly get an accurate idea of the issue.
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Member Since: 3/24/2011
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I feel like her music is letting her down. So far every single from Joyride has been basic.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Wink
I feel like her music is letting her down. So far every single from Joyride has been basic.
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100%. There's still truth to what she says. It just isn't why she's struggling (or at least the main reason why)
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by Repo
And what do all of these people share? Rap music. They make that. Tinashe is something of an Urban Pop/R&B girl. That's different and targets a different audience. You have to compare artists in the same genre. What the fans of country want does NOT overlap with what popgirl stans want or what rap fans want.
As said, not to say racism and sexism aren't heavily present, but this isn't a good example. There's other major factors at play which make it impossible to truly get an accurate idea of the issue.
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I'm with you on that. I was 100% ready to agree with her until I saw her reasoning.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Wink
I feel like her music is letting her down. So far every single from Joyride has been basic.
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Party Favours is anything but basic
Player is trash
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