The Army stays talking about sales in threads about legendary status and impact.
No one cares about her sales & sales don't make a legend.
Sales are an objective measure of global interest.
If we compare any objective, hard facts, we can see that Britney has outsold Janet in every market sans Africa, her music is more remembered and streamed in this day and age, etc.
But yes, the Army is delusional for trying to use objective facts and ignoring the fact that Janet was the first person to borrow Michael's shtick that he borrowed from James Brown, etc.
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Originally posted by idkher
How does comparing radio play not make sense? It has been a constant throughout both of their careers unlike streaming
Britney has outsold Aretha, Cher and Tina Turner... does that make her a bigger legend than them too? I seriously wonder how this website can be so dense sometimes
Aretha's the greatest female vocalist of all-time and has the most celebrated female album of all-time along with holding one of the biggest female hits ever that holds some of the highest catalog sales and initially broke the market not only for female vocalists but black female vocalists, not to mention her role in the American Civil Rights movement. I'm like one of her 5 fans on the site and you really want to try and say the Army would degrade her What does Janet have that's comparable to Aretha? She's not a vocalist, none of her music has strong catalog sales, she didn't have that large role that Aretha had, etc. Janet definitely did enough to be a legend, but not enough that it magically offsets her commercial failings.
I don't really think Cher is that legendary outside of the gay community (just look at her musical career, she has three remembered songs) and Tina Turner is a huge selling artist (she's sold more in Europe than Britney). I don't quite understand how this offsets Janet's failings.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Im crying in laughter, not because of this debate, but because of the Army ranting almost the entire week how Bey is basically a nobody or not a legend when all those notes on the checklist of being a legend could be very easily applied to Bey. Thanks guys, Ill happily quote that in future whenever the "Is Bey a legend" debate starts again.
On topic: Janet. Simply because no artist would honestly say "I want to become the next Britney" while a lot of artists would say "I want to be the next Janet".
I've said Bey is a legend for years now. Be pressed at someone else, sis.
And do Miley, Selena, Ariana, Christina, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, BoA, Girls' Generation, etc. have to explicitly state it when we can see it reflected in their careers?
Brit's first single alone is more iconic ! No shade, but Britney is a global superstar, people know her hits (BOMT, Crazy, OIDIA, Slave, Toxic, Everytime, Womanizer, TTWE, etc...), her performances (VMAs 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007), her partners (JT, Kevin), the breakdown, the comeback...
Janet is a legend, prob the best female dancer but R&B music just isn't as big WW as it is in the USA. First time I learned about her songs and stuff was like 6 years ago. And I'm not the only one. I'm sure if I was to ask my friends what's their favorit Janet song they'd be like WHO ? JACKSON AS IN MICHAEL JACKSON ? Is it tragic ? Yes. Is it our fault ? Sure, but R&B isn't really a thing here unless you are Beyonce or something...
Wait. Are Britney Spears stans using itunes, youtube views, and streaming? Against Janet? But I thought those things were irrelevant when those same things are used against Britney...
Aretha's the greatest female vocalist of all-time and has the most celebrated female album of all-time along with holding one of the biggest female hits ever that holds some of the highest catalog sales and initially broke the market not only for female vocalists but black female vocalists, not to mention her role in the American Civil Rights movement. I'm like one of her 5 fans on the site and you really want to try and say the Army would degrade her What does Janet have that's comparable to Aretha? She's not a vocalist, none of her music has strong catalog sales, she didn't have that large role that Aretha had, etc. Janet definitely did enough to be a legend, but not enough that it magically offsets her commercial failings.
I don't really think Cher is that legendary outside of the gay community (just look at her musical career, she has three remembered songs) and Tina Turner is a huge selling artist (she's sold more in Europe than Britney). I don't quite understand how this offsets Janet's failings.
And Janet is known as the greatest female dancer/performer of all time and she literally invented your fave as well as Paula, Aaliyah, Tinashe...
Cher is 10x the legend Britney is, stop. Believe remains more iconic (and a bigger hit) than any Britney song. Also Janet has outsold Tina. How can you say Tina is a "huge selling artist" but then say that Janet's "commercial failures" are the reason she is not a legend? A mess
Time makes a legend. Maybe you and the rest of the Army will have a point in 20 years (I doubt it) but as of now Britney is nowhere near a legend whereas Janet is a living, breathing legend
I was laughing because you can't even give credit to Britney where it's warranted - her iconic performances and music videos, among other things. How do you expect to be taken seriously
But to say Janet Jackson is neither an icon nor a legend is just down right stupid. Especially considering your fave's career was extremely influenced by Janet herself.
Who out of the Army said that Janet isn't a legend?
Out of the people that said that Janet isn't a legend in this thread:
D.M.F. - Fighter
Nano - Army
Gui Blackout - No Stanbase
HeckingLovato - Lovatic
Rafael - Hive (said it's "debatable)"
Wait. Are Britney Spears stans using itunes , youtube views, and streaming? Against Janet? But I thought those those things were irrelevant when those same things are used against Britney ?
We're using overall record sales, global career rankings, impact, influence, etc.
You know, those things that make your fanbase scramble and after those two second "kiis."
And why does Britney being inspired by Janet make Britney less legendary? Pfft.
It's just ironic. How Army could say she has no iconic looks, songs, performances when Britney herself has referenced her in EVERY single on of her projects. If that aint a legend, y'all don't know what is.
Who out of the Army said that Janet isn't a legend?
Out of the people that said that Janet isn't a legend in this thread:
D.M.F. - Fighter
Nano - Army
Gui Blackout - No Stanbase
HeckingLovato - Lovatic
Rafael - Hive (said it's "debatable)"
Wow that was supposed to be tea? 2 seconds on a tour and one scene from a remix video.
that said, I can't believe this thread exists as it's disrespectful to both but I understand that whenever a Britney thread wins other threads are created designed for her to lose.
doesn't take away from Janet's amazing career or Britney being the 6th most successful female artist of all time.