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Poll: Is Lady Gaga still a fad?
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Yes
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Not when she has scored multiple hits from every single one of her albums, been on many successful tours, and has 3 #1's in the span of 3 years.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
So now you're changing your game? I thought that these were pathetic sales for a #1, but Tony his power?
Seriously, you're coming across like a biased hater with these comments, desperate to drag.
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"m saying that without King Tony, this album would not have sold nearly as much. Tony his power, giving Gaga a nice boost
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by pika
Gaga stans when discussing Adele: "Adele may have had album sales, but Gaga had bigger singles, bigger videos, media attention, impact, etc."
Gaga stan when discussing Miley: "Well Bangerz and ARTPOP sold about the same so why is Miley considered above Gaga??!!!"
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No no no. Don't try and flip this like its the other way around. The majority of people here go above and beyond to find reasons to argue against Gaga. So don't flip this like its the pot calling the kettle black.
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Originally posted by mikeyace16
Taylor and Adele disgaree
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Doesn't change the fact that album sales hit a new all time low every month or so
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by Scheiße.
But Miley flopped HAAAAAAAARD in her 3rd album, did CBT manged to go GOLD? NO, did CBT go 2x platinum? No, did she managed to have a successful tour in her "flop" era? No
With all those awards, why didn't her album cross the 2M mark? Why is she struggling to sell 1M outside of the US?
Embarrassing "CRUSHING LADY GAGA" her album did the same numbers as Gaga except Gaga is in her flop era and Miley is successful
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Omg... The anger. The difference between CBT and ARTPOP is that Miley was smart enough to acknowledge her missteps and the fact that she wasn't ready to push away her creative team. She came back three years later and crushed Gaga's era in record sales, impact, awards (dk if i mentioned that already) because she did a complete overhaul of her brand. Gaga is too dumb/deluded/egotistical to look back and think, "Gee, I wonder why no one bought my single about power-bottoming?" and that's why she will continue to fail while her peers breeze past her. Thus, a fad.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Oh yes. I'm stereotypical because I acknowledge how not only nonsensical it is to compare this album to I'm Breathless but how tired it is to compare her to Madonna period. Its nothing short of lazy. And at any rate, I doubt it'd be intellectually possible to have any kind of discussion with you.
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feeling is mutual DAHling
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
No no no. Don't try and flip this like its the other way around. The majority of people here go above and beyond to find reasons to argue against Gaga. So don't flip this like its the pot calling the kettle black.
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Oh god, enough with the 'haterz hate Gaga!' act. Whenever a poll is about about Adele or Gaga having the bigger peak, all Monsters flood in saying "it's not just about album sales" and bring up a multitude of factors to prove Gaga was bigger. But whenever it's with Miley, the only thing brought up is album sales & ignoring the fact that Bangerz crushed ARTPOP in single sales, streaming, awards, media attention, 'impact, etc. (everything used against Adele).
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by pika
Oh god, enough with the 'haterz hate Gaga!' act. Whenever a poll is about about Adele or Gaga having the bigger peak, all Monsters flood in saying "it's not just about album sales" and bring up a multitude of factors to prove Gaga was bigger. But whenever it's with Miley, the only thing brought up is album sales & ignoring the fact that Bangerz crushed ARTPOP in single sales, streaming, awards, media attention, 'impact, etc. (everything used against Adele).
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Not just Miley, but Katy and everyone else, too.
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Originally posted by minxie
Omg... The anger. The difference between CBT and ARTPOP is that Miley was smart enough to acknowledge her missteps and the fact that she wasn't ready to push away her creative team. She came back three years later and crushed Gaga's era in record sales, impact, awards (dk if i mentioned that already) because she did a complete overhaul of her brand. Gaga is too dumb/deluded/egotistical to look back and think, "Gee, I wonder why no one bought my single about power-bottoming?" and that's why she will continue to fail while her peers breeze past her. Thus, a fad.
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Yet, you keep avoiding my questions
You say she is "CRUSHING" the queen, then why her album is struggling to sell 1M outside of the US?
Why her album cant sell 2M WW?
Is that what "CRUSHING" has come to? Not selling 2M WW is "CRUSHING"? Struggling to sell 1M outside of the US despite having 2 hits with huge youtube views? Where is the "CRUSHING"?
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Originally posted by minxie
Omg... The anger. The difference between CBT and ARTPOP is that Miley was smart enough to acknowledge her missteps and the fact that she wasn't ready to push away her creative team. She came back three years later and crushed Gaga's era in record sales, impact, awards (dk if i mentioned that already) because she did a complete overhaul of her brand. Gaga is too dumb/deluded/egotistical to look back and think, "Gee, I wonder why no one bought my single about power-bottoming?" and that's why she will continue to fail while her peers breeze past her. Thus, a fad.
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She didn't "crush" Gaga's era in sales when she barely sold more, mainly due to Gaga's era being a huge mess and basically stopping a few months in.
And I'm sorry but its absolutely ridiculous that you're calling Gaga a fad while stanning for Miley Cyrus. Her first and only real mainstream success era so far was HEAVILY driven by cheap, meaningless controversy (and those are her words, not mine. She called her VMA performance a strategic hot mess). Her 3rd single flopped. Let's see who the "fad" is a few years down the line.
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Originally posted by pika
Oh god, enough with the 'haterz hate Gaga!' act. Whenever a poll is about about Adele or Gaga having the bigger peak, all Monsters flood in saying "it's not just about album sales" and bring up a multitude of factors to prove Gaga was bigger. But whenever it's with Miley, the only thing brought up is album sales & ignoring the fact that Bangerz crushed ARTPOP in single sales, streaming, awards, media attention, 'impact, etc. (everything used against Adele).
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Because the 3 Adele stans on here think because she was an anomaly who managed to sell 20 million copies that it makes her bigger than Gaga, which is clearly and never was the case. The difference here is that even with the publicity around Miley's contrived attention-seeking era, she still can't outgross Gaga in her decline or sell more albums. They're different arguments for different cases. Bye
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Originally posted by Alchemist
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Because the 3 Adele stans on here think because she was an anomaly who managed to sell 20 million copies that it makes her bigger than Gaga, which is clearly and never was the case. The difference here is that even with the publicity around Miley's contrived attention-seeking era, she still can't outgross Gaga in her decline or sell more albums. They're different arguments for different cases. Bye
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21 >>> gaga's career so don't even try it.
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Originally posted by minxie
Omg... The anger. The difference between CBT and ARTPOP is that Miley was smart enough to acknowledge her missteps and the fact that she wasn't ready to push away her creative team. She came back three years later and crushed Gaga's era in record sales, impact, awards (dk if i mentioned that already) because she did a complete overhaul of her brand. Gaga is too dumb/deluded/egotistical to look back and think, "Gee, I wonder why no one bought my single about power-bottoming?" and that's why she will continue to fail while her peers breeze past her.
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Generally speaking I liked Bangerz and I (to an extent) like Miley as well. But to say she'll be "breezing" past Gaga is an overstatement. You're looking at this all one dimensionally. No ones arguing that Gaga was as prevalent as Miley and Katy, clearly theyve surpassed her at the moment in terms of popular attention. But the fact of the matter is her album sold in the same ballpark even when shes considered to be at a low point, that should speak somewhat positively not negatively. Im not going to bother getting into the Katy aspect of it because thats another conversation entirely. But as far as Miley goes, this was her first actual album that defined the start of her solo career. Yes she had that one album that came out within the Hannah Montana timeframe and yes she had Can't Be Tamed which was largely ignored with reason. But in all actuality Bangerz is essentially her debut, especially considering its her first off of Hollywood Records and onto RCA, a major label. Her re-brand is every bit as faulty as you can argue Gaga's was, using garishness to garner mass attention. Following Wrecking Ball I can argue we already saw a decline in interest in Miley Cyrus musically speaking since Adore You went nowhere even with a remix and they didn't even bother with a 4th single. Not that it matters considering Wrecking Ball was an immense enough hit to make the entire era. Her use of brash sexuality and shock tactics makes her every bit as vulnerable as Gaga in terms of longevity. So you really shouldn't be throwing stones from glass houses.
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Originally posted by mikeyace16
21 >>> gaga's career so don't even try it.
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not worth the WP
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by pika
Oh god, enough with the 'haterz hate Gaga!' act. Whenever a poll is about about Adele or Gaga having the bigger peak, all Monsters flood in saying "it's not just about album sales" and bring up a multitude of factors to prove Gaga was bigger. But whenever it's with Miley, the only thing brought up is album sales & ignoring the fact that Bangerz crushed ARTPOP in single sales, streaming, awards, media attention, 'impact, etc. (everything used against Adele).
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What?! This thread is proof that what you're saying is false. People always argue against Gaga and yes, obviously she has fans on this site that will argue for her. But ultimately the majority votes against her rather than for her. This isn't ****ing 2010 dude, people aren't up her ass anymore. They're up everyone elses.
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artRAVE is "CRUSHING" Bangerz by the way
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Originally posted by Alchemist
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Because the 3 Adele stans on here think because she was an anomaly who managed to sell 20 million copies that it makes her bigger than Gaga, which is clearly and never was the case. The difference here is that even with the publicity around Miley's contrived attention-seeking era, she still can't outgross Gaga in her decline or sell more albums. They're different arguments for different cases. Bye
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Bangerz outsold ARTPOP (kinda weird that Monsters haven't realized this yet), had way bigger single sales, bigger streaming, TIME recognition from both placing Miley on their Most Influential List and top 10 people of the year, higher placement on Forbes, broke social media records from Google to Twitter to Yahoo to Youtube all while dominating pop culture. The final gross of the Bangerz tour and ARTPOP will about $30-40m away, which doesn't make up for the other things Miley overtook her in.
There is no 'different argument', you can't use these factors against one person then completely throw them out the window when they aren't convenient for you in another situation.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
She didn't "crush" Gaga's era in sales when she barely sold more, mainly due to Gaga's era being a huge mess and basically stopping a few months in.
And I'm sorry but its absolutely ridiculous that you're calling Gaga a fad while stanning for Miley Cyrus. Her first and only real mainstream success era so far was HEAVILY driven by cheap, meaningless controversy (and those are her words, not mine. She called her VMA performance a strategic hot mess). Her 3rd single flopped. Let's see who the "fad" is a few years down the line.
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Bangerz era: 18M million records sold worldwide, 1.5+ billion streams produced
ARTPOP era: 7M records sold(?), ??? million streams (less than 1.5 billion)
Miley's first platinum #1 album was released 8 years ago and her last platinum #1 album was last year. Party In The USA (Miley's mainstream hit song from 2009) is charting above every Gaga song on iTunes. Adore You sold more than DWUW and G.U.Y. combined. Let's not even talk about her VMA performance.
Gaga is still the fad. Sorry.
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Funny how you say the numbers between artRAVE and Bangerz are not much but you are saying Bangerz is CRUSHING ARTPOP when the difference is like 100k
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
What?! This thread is proof that what you're saying is false. People always argue against Gaga and yes, obviously she has fans on this site that will argue for her. But ultimately the majority votes against her rather than for her. This isn't ****ing 2010 dude, people aren't up her ass anymore. They're up everyone elses.
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You're kinda missing the entire point. Nobody cares about who's against Gaga, the point being Monsters switch up their argument as to what's convenient for them.
Scheibe angrily spamming "But but 2 million WW, 1 million outside the US " when Monsters don't even pay attention to album sales when discussing Adele is hypocritical.
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