As a Die Hard Jay Sean fan, i was hoping Mars was gonna smash it, but after reading some of the lyrics it seems like its gonna be one of those really slow, amazing vocals and deep lyric type of tracks, with that crooner RNB beat, but this is no good, this was basically every track on the mistress, amazing but radio ain't gonna play it, charts are not gonna pick it up, only a few going to buy it and its gonna be amazing but not commerciall as all good R&B is eg Boys To Men, Donnell Jones, all that old school stuff..
Even your Top End modern artist like Trey Songz, who i see as one of the Best RNB artist out there finds it hard to put out pure RNB singles, that's why there are amazing RNB tracks on the album like Bad Decisions, Forever Yours, Fumble, Pretty Girls Lie, which were not used early to promote the album, but pop tracks like Heart Attack and rap tracks from the album were used as early promotion via singles.
Here is my example of why urban is good for Jay Sean:
If you listen to Ride It
The beat is unique, since this came out still nothing R&B in my opinion has had such a authentic, different Urban/RNB/Foreign flow. The closest is Justin Timberlakes music like "Dont Hold The Wall", but stil not on this level. Even though am a massive JT fan his vocals are actually not that good and way to overrated. Probably because he's a WHTE RNB artist. Also the way Ride it was sang, it was a super urban joint with RNB singing but also that fast kind of spoken rap a lot like Drake, this made the record not just RNB but Urban. which made it popular in the UK's RNB AND Hip Hop Base.
vs. Message In A Bottle one of my fav tracks from the Mistress,
Amazing instrumental from OFM, very good vocals, deep lyrics, everything you would expect from a class RNB track, but it has no URBAN/Hip Hop influence, and as we all know RNB is DEAD. Radio dont ever play it, there's no buzz on RNB, like Pop and Hip Hop. therefore to conclude when a RNB joint incorporates a Urban flow that's when, the Hip Hop nation connects with the track and itbecomes somewhat popular.
Jay made a massive mistake with Rick Ross, one i cant stand the guy, he's a crappy rapper, just like birdman spits **** about money ALL THE TIME, if you listen to Jay Sean track "love" ft birdman its going to sound exactly like that. Jay singing about his romantic **** as usual, while the rapper breaks it down with money talk. How Boring. Jay simply should have got Drake or someone talented who has the potential to blow a good song up. his feature Tyga failed to blow up sex101 which was an AMAZING urban RNB joint, let me tell you now if trey or usher put that out it would have been top ten guaranteed!. Mars sadly is just going to be a Re-Run of Sex101.
-Jay needs to be more Urban & Hip Hop, his POP tracks are good but not amazing, his RNB tracks are really good but never sell well, RNB my fav type of music and am not talking that pop **** like William, Usher, Justin Bieber and most of Chris Brown am talking real RNB is commercialy DEAD.
-He Needs to promote and advertise himself, the quickest way is quality features who have not rinsed out on radio. like nicki minaj, pitbull, and everyone else you hear every second of the day.
On NEON he apparently has Rick Ross a instant flop. Busta Rymes another flop, Mary J Blige, this could be a good collab, Lil Wayne, i feel like these collabs are always a hit or miss, Ciara, this could be good due to the lack of female collabs,, Pitbull collab already pretty much flopped as expected and so did the Tyga collab, Sean Paul should be a good collab.
-He needs to go back to his old Street edge (am not talking thug life) just those Urban flows.
-He needs to go on big TV show interviews in the US and UK like Ellen, Jimmy Kimmel, Jonathan Ross Show, NOT TO PERFORM, but to be interviewed and sell his personality.
He should do more Urban tracks like this to gain respect in the Hip Hop world, this was never released, duno WHYYY it was goodd!
I feel like i could do a better job than Jay Sean's managers for sure who are his Wife and Producer. not good at all.
You haven't actually read the lyrics. You're just speculating that the lyrics written on some paper (that you guys still haven't posted) are the lyrics for "Mars." As for radio not playing a deeper type of track, they play plenty and the only reason no one played the songs from the Mistress was because it was a mixtape. Also, Jay doesn't really do "pure R&B"; most of his songs lean towards pop. The title song for the Mistress could have easily been a single and played on Top 40 radio.
Again, the biggest problem for Jay is that no one cares about him. No one's checking for him and those random Twitter/Facebook followers don't count. How many of those people are actually buying his songs on iTunes?
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Originally posted by snke205
around 25:50 but you really can't hear anything
Yeah, I just watched it and I don't hear anything I can judge on.
lyrics include "Let it get to your head then to mine" "come babe get, come and get on my level, breathe it in with me"
Dont make me die laughing, i have been a fan of Jay Sean from the age of 10, yes he is a predominantly RNB artist.
Your prob one of those yanks who know him for the few pop tracks he released in America. No offense
the albums "MY OWN WAY and ME AGAINST MY SELF" were 80% RNB with a few Asian urban tracks. Even All OR NOTHING was 70% RNB. his singles Eyes on you, Dance With You, Maybe, Stay, Tonight, Ride it were all RNB, he made a few pop tracks like Down, 2012, Hit The Lights, and somehow everyone thinks he's POP . Don't kill me with laughter. then he puts out The Mistress a PURE RNB mixtape which sounded like a album, followed by sex101 and the hindi RNB remix of Back To Love. i can guarantee you Jay is a RNB artist.
and am not sure what radio stations you listen to, but other than pop tracks by RNB Artist like Bruno Mars, JT, Usher, Akon, no radio staions in the UK play REAL RNB and i never said the radio should play any of the Mistress, i know how a mixtape works, even though Say Yeah from the mistress was played on bbc radio one a number of times. .
Again, you don't know those are actually the lyrics of "Mars." You and AamirMulla just saw it on some piece of paper. And those lyrics aren't deep.
No, I've known who Jay Sean was since Me Against Myself came out in late 2004. Nice try though.
Lol, are you kidding? Songs like Eyes On You, Maybe, Stay, Tonight and Ride It and the remix of Back To Love are R&B-tinged POP songs. Stargate just made a South Asian-influenced song with Selena Gomez just like they did with Jay way back when. Is Selena's song R&B as well lol? Maybe that's considered "R 'N B" in the UK, but most urban stations here in the US (you know where R&B music began) wouldn't even play these songs and only Top 40/pop stations would pick them up. What's next? Black Eyed Peas were an urban group? You make me laugh.
Again, you don't know those are actually the lyrics of "Mars." You and AamirMulla just saw it on some piece of paper. And those lyrics aren't deep.
No, I've known who Jay Sean was since Me Against Myself came out in late 2004. Nice try though.
Lol, are you kidding? Songs like Eyes On You, Maybe, Stay, Tonight and Ride It and the remix of Back To Love are R&B-tinged POP songs. Stargate just made a South Asian-influenced song with Selena Gomez just like they did with Jay way back when. Is Selena's song R&B as well lol? Maybe that's considered "R 'N B" in the UK, but most urban stations here in the US (you know where R&B music began) wouldn't even play these songs and only Top 40/pop stations would pick them up. What's next? Black Eyed Peas were an urban group? You make me laugh.
WOW you got problems am not even going to argue with you:
You think these are POP and not RNB tracks, you are KILLING me am literally laughing at you, so what is RNB for you, Justin Bieber, Usher, JT, Bruno Mars, because they putting out POP mate. hahaha. Rythem And Blues, this means clean vocals which can be urban DOES NOT HAVE TO BE stretched over a natural instrumental, eg drums, piano, guitar. have you ever heard of Craig David, Estelle and Mary J. Blige.
lionz ur kinda wrong here in a way.. if you look on Billboard and listen to American mainstream radio.. Dance has kinda singled out.. now it's strict Pop and RNB.. not old RNB of the olden days .. but it's good RNB.. and I'm friends with Jays managers and they told me his RNB tracks are having a heavy asian influence just like Ride It and Message In The Bottle.. so he's showing signs and going back to basics.. granted there was horrible promo done for the album because his single didn't do well) he still has a chance.. some people hop on albums after they come out and even then albums get the buzz they need after the albums has released.. but good luck to Jay! I still believe he has a bright career in the industry and i still believe he can overcome Down's prowess.. he'll probably have even have 10 more years in the game.. he'll do momentous of great projects by then
WOW you got problems am not even going to argue with you:
You think these are POP and not RNB tracks, you are KILLING me am literally laughing at you, so what is RNB for you, Justin Bieber, Usher, JT, Bruno Mars, because they putting out POP mate. hahaha. Rythem And Blues, this means clean vocals which can be urban DOES NOT HAVE TO BE stretched over a natural instrumental, eg drums, piano, guitar. have you ever heard of Craig David, Estelle and Mary J. Blige.
You always try to argue with me and fail miserably. You're delusional, but you've already proven that before.
All of those songs lean towards pop with few exceptions like Do You and Each Tear, which is still R&B/pop. Those are the types of songs Top 40 stations play here (except Jay because he's not popular). And if you're trying to say Bruno Mars, Usher and Justin Bieber make explicitly pop music, how are you using songs like Maybe and War as examples of R&B? Those songs are same types of music that Bruno himself puts out. Good job contradicting yourself. Also, notice that you can't actually respond to any of my points? If songs like Eyes on You are R&B (which you claimed), with your logic, old Black Eyed Peas songs like Where is the Love and Shut Up are R&B too.
You always try to argue with me and fail miserably. You're delusional, but you've already proven that before.
All of those songs lean towards pop with few exceptions like Do You and Each Tear, which is still R&B/pop. Those are the types of songs Top 40 stations play here (except Jay because he's not popular). And if you're trying to say Bruno Mars, Usher and Justin Bieber make explicitly pop music, how are you using songs like Maybe and War as examples of R&B? Those songs are same types of music that Bruno himself puts out. Good job contradicting yourself. Also, notice that you can't actually respond to any of my points? If songs like Eyes on You are R&B (which you claimed), with your logic, old Black Eyed Peas songs like Where is the Love and Shut Up are R&B too.
Get your ears tested mate, if you think "where do we go" is POP, you clearly cant differentiate between POP and RNB, and what points are you on about? also you never said, if this ain't RNB what is to you?
lool me diffusional, i think your the diffusional one.
just curious why you cant identify RNB tracks, would you class this as RNB
Get your ears tested mate, if you think "where do we go" is POP, you clearly cant differentiate between POP and RNB, and what points are you on about? also you never said, if this ain't RNB what is to you?
lool me diffusional, i think your the diffusional one.
just curious why you cant identify RNB tracks, would you class this as RNB
I never said Where Do We Go is pure pop. I specifically said "all of those songs lean towards pop with few exceptions." Did you conveniently miss that part? I've repeated my points multiple times. If you're actually genuinely interested, try reading them instead of immediately responding emotionally. If anyone can't differentiate between pop and R&B, it's you. You're the one who claimed that Maybe is an example of R&B. Are you kidding me?
What on earth is "diffusional"? I said delusional, and yeah, that's definitely you. Do you remember our old discussions about Jay's popularity where you kept insisting he was a big artist with a solid fanbase? It was embarrassing.
It's pop. Jessie J could easily sing that song. It's definitely not like a 90s R&B Boyz II Men made.
I never said Where Do We Go is pure pop. I specifically said "all of those songs lean towards pop with few exceptions." Did you conveniently miss that part? I've repeated my points multiple times. If you're actually genuinely interested, try reading them instead of immediately responding emotionally. If anyone can't differentiate between pop and R&B, it's you. You're the one who claimed that Maybe is an example of R&B. Are you kidding me?
What on earth is "diffusional"? I said delusiomnal, and yeah, that's definitely you. Do you remember our old discussions about Jay's popularity where you kept insisting he was a big artist with a solid fanbase? It was embarrassing.
It's pop. Jessie J could easily sing that song. It's definitely not like a 90s R&B Boyz II Men made.
Oh so now where do we go is a Rnb track. Am sorry but i got better things to do than argue with you, look at the uk chart stats and you will see where jay sean has charted it comes under RnB including Maybe, most of his songs have a similar feel to boys to men instrumentals but jays voice is higher, yes and ofcourse i was dillousional for saying someone who has charted on prettymuch every chart on the planet, verious number ones, top tens, multi platinum sales stats, bmi song writer award winner. Yep he's not big at all. Let not even call him a professional artist. *sarcasm* agree to disagree i guess. Good bye. Realy no need to respond. Next you will be saying trey songz is a pop act...
Oh so now where do we go is a Rnb track. Am sorry but i got better things to do than argue with you, look at the uk chart stats and you will see where jay sean has charted it comes under RnB including Maybe, most of his songs have a similar feel to boys to men instrumentals but jays voice is higher, yes and ofcourse i was dillousional for saying someone who has charted on prettymuch every chart on the planet, verious number ones, top tens, multi platinum sales stats, bmi song writer award winner. Yep he's not big at all. Let not even call him a professional artist. *sarcasm* agree to disagree i guess. Good bye. Realy no need to respond. Next you will be saying trey songz is a pop act...
"Oh so now"? Stop trying to make it seem as if I'm changing my argument when I've been consistent. If you really had better things to do, you wouldn't go out of your way to argue with me all the time, especially with this nonsense.
So what if "Maybe" appeared under the UK's R&B charts? will.i.am's new single with Justin Bieber is #2 on that same chart right now. Are you seriously going to argue that "#that power" is a R&B track lol? What's next? The Black Eyed Peas are an urban act because they chart in Australia's urban charts and Adele is a Latin pop act because she's charted on Billboard's Latin pop charts? Stop.
What on earth is "dillousional"? It's delusional; you're a British national so you should be able to speak English properly. And yes, thank you for confirming your embarrassing delusion once more. Charted on pretty much every chart on the planet? Huh? Jay's only big hit is Down; it's biggest impact was in the Anglophone world and that was his only number one. Going #1 on sub-charts is not big accomplishment nor is debuting Top 10 in the UK and then free falling of the charts the way Ride It and Stolen did. Also, winning a BMI award for songwriting doesn't make one a big artist. For the last time, STOP pretending Jay is some big international artist when he wasn't even a big artist in the UK.
I never said that Trey Songz is a pop act so I don't even know where that came from...
Bottom line is, Yes, unfortunately, jay sean won't get radio play because he's not hot right now. Its always the same artists that get radio play nowadays, or its new artists that get a huge buzz from a song and thats it. Jay admitted that he was once in a place where he was trying hard to get a hit but it ruined him (probably referring to Hit the Lights and 2012). But just because he won't be on the radio doesn't mean he won't get success. If you look at someone like Frank Ocean (yes, i know Frank Ocean may not be the best example but you'll get my drift) he barely got radio play before his album came out but his album had huge success because nowadays people know that they have to look for good music online since the radio is the same recycled trash. So who cares about radio play anyway, if he puts out a solid R&B album people will support it regardless if he gets radio hits....it may take time for people to discover the album unlike Frank Ocean's, but they will eventually.
^ THIS **** RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGREED!! COULD'VE SAID IT MYSELF LOL.. in other words.. he built it up and let it all crash down.. but yea he's going to turn around.. cuz he's back, doing the stuff he loved.. he's Back To Love lol.. I'll stop now.. this albums going to be all sorts of epicness.. as long as his Pop sound is 30 - 35 percent tops!! of the album.. I don't wanna see 1/3 of the album be pop.. I swear.. mix a little rnb, classical, rock (he uses kevin rudolf for this), a little rap, blues, asian fuse and then, the rest can be pop!
After Frank came out, he had a gimmick (for lack of a better word) to get people's attention. Jay doesn't have anything like that except for maybe being Asian, but that doesn't really interest anybody except for some Indians and other South Asians. Actually, even that's a stretch because most South Asians are either not interested in him at all, too cheap to buy his music and support him if they are interested, or they trash him because it's trendy to. It's a shame because he can make good music as evidenced by The Mistress and My Own Way. Going back to the gimmick thing, if he had one, I really think The Mistress would have been better received. It was a mistake not to release his MOW tracks in the US after "Down" did so well because he had a platform then.
Anyway I'm just hoping Mars delivers. He posted some lyrics on Instagram and said it's coming out soon:
Not sure this is going to be as good as I'm hoping.
****ING AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGG, I KNEW HE WOULD COME THROUGH FOR THIS ONE. Ross was good but put Drizzy on this, it would have ****ing been homicide. i hope people buy it and not illegaly dl it, deserves to smash charts, unlike some **** on the charts which i dont even know who is actualy buying lol. Jay Sean the soooo underated man, and his camp leaked a 160kbps so am guessing the itunes release is gonna be alot better audio quality and probably abit differant, hopefuly they will remove the phaser sound effect, and just added that to the leak.
