[Flare]

Originally posted by J. YONCÉ

Oh yes, assholes on social media are definitely on the same level as multi-billion dollar political campaigns that actually impact people's day-to-day lives and rights. And there's definitely not assholes on social media of all races, creeds, colors, sexual orientations, sexes, etc.

Gimme a break Flare, you're not this dumb.

Gurl bye. I was responding to the comment. Stop trying to overly spin things like the LGBTQ community is helpless and doesn't have just as much money, support and power in opposing those organizations. Realistically, at the rate things are going, marriage equality will be almost or completely legal in all of the US within 8 years tops.

You can't be that biased now?

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by i spit on haters

She's right.

You realize that people said exactly what she's saying about black people having equal rights, yeah?

[Miles Caulfield]

How are these people still allowed to talk?

[Temporal]

J. Yoncé educating the lessors here!

[Flare]

Originally posted by J. YONCÉ

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

Educate yourself before you type, not after.

I've studied this case in class and literally this is not relevant to what I posted. Stop reaching and blowing things out of proportion.

[P!nkism]

When people accept that being gay is NOT a lifestyle, maybe it'll get better.
Straight people live a life, and us gays have a lifestyle?
Lifestyle generally means that we had choice in the matter (imo) which is not the case.
Being a biggot, being a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Buddist/every other religion, being a hippie, being emo, being a goth, being metalhead - those are lifestyles

[Vertigo Stick]

The lies she told though

[Miles Caulfield]

Originally posted by Flare

Gurl bye. I was responding to the comment. Stop trying to overly spin things like the LGBTQ community is helpless and doesn't have just as much money, support and power in opposing those organizations. Realistically, at the rate things are going, marriage equality will be almost or completely legal in all of the US within 8 years tops.

You can't be that biased now?

MessT.

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Flare

Gurl bye. I was responding to the comment. Stop trying to overly spin things like the LGBTQ community is helpless and doesn't have just as much money, support and power in opposing those organizations. Realistically, at the rate things are going, marriage equality will be almost or completely legal in all of the US within 8 years tops.

You can't be that biased now?

Are you implying racism and stigmas against interracial marriage completely ended in the 60s because the laws changed? The law changing is great, but the problems still exist for a long time. Centuries of homophobia aren't going to be fixed by 18 years of legal rulings.

And again, I don't have low enough self-esteem to pretend that I think I shouldn't have rights to make someone else feel better about their crappy opinion. They have the freedom of speech to express their crappy opinion, I have the freedom of speech to call them an asshole.

[ontherocks]

Originally posted by Flare

Gurl bye. I was responding to the comment. Stop trying to overly spin things like the LGBTQ community is helpless and doesn't have just as much money, support and power in opposing those organizations. Realistically, at the rate things are going, marriage equality will be almost or completely legal in all of the US within 8 years tops.

You can't be that biased now?

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR 8 YEARS? Why can people just give me right to marry whoever I want now? This is a human rights issue this not about groups of interests.

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Flare

I've studied this case in class and literally this is not relevant to what I posted. Stop reaching and blowing things out of proportion.

No, it is relevant. That case affirmed that marriage is a right protected under the 14th amendment. Study harder.

[Alejandrо]

I wanted to drag ha too but y'all beat me to it.

I can't at the irony.

[Haunter]

Originally posted by Reza

the problem is that people usually don't just say they disagree and leave it a that. they have to bring GOD into it and say its immoral (or a sin) and that we are all going to hell and blah blah. Bristol is an underrage teen mom, had pre-marital sex and several plastic surgeries (vanity is also considered bad in gods eyes) yet she pretends that shes holier than thou? and that goes for every straight person who judges the gays. take a look in the mirror before judging someone elses lifestyle. sorry bitch. not today.

Scalp ha.

[ImpressiveInstant]

As it's been said, sexuality is NOT a lifestyle - she can be a disgusting bigot "in God's name" if she wants but do not try to interfere with our rights.

For me it's basically the same as saying "I don't agree with black people's lifestyle". Doesn't make sense AT ALL.

[Jameson Teqkilla]

Originally posted by Flare

Meh. I don't see it like that.

See, the whole thing is that nor everyone in life is going to kiss your ass because you feel you're entitled to certain "rights" (using that term lightly because marriage in general isn't technically a right bur that's a whole different debate). Everyone is raised differently and people need to acknowledge that and not just use reverse hate to solve situations. You have to explain to those people your perspective. So, sitting in an ATRL thread, calling Sarah Palin a bitch and a ***** for having a kid as a teen isn't going to prove that you're right.

Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”

Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.

Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”

Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”

Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “It is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”

http://www.afer.org/blog/14-supreme-...amental-right/

What debate is to be had here?

[Neptune]

Originally posted by Deuces

You had pre-marital sex and you had a baby before you could do Geometry, but NOW you want things to be traditional. **** out of here.

Don't forget the baby was conceived whilst she was drunk on a school camping trip, after which she then implied the father had raped her

[Flare]

Originally posted by J. YONCÉ

Are you implying racism and stigmas against interracial marriage completely ended in the 60s because the laws changed? The law changing is great, but the problems still exist for a long time. Centuries of homophobia aren't going to be fixed by 18 years of legal rulings.

And again, I don't have low enough self-esteem to pretend that I think I shouldn't have rights to make someone else feel better about their crappy opinion. They have the freedom of speech to express their crappy opinion, I have the freedom of speech to call them an asshole.

I never implied anywhere though? I'm talking about facts concerning the law. I can give half a **** if anyone is celebrity is homophobic or you want to call Sarah an asshole.

My whole point originally was that, calling her names doesn't make a difference. If you're so pressed by what she said then go donate to some LGBTQ organizations, educate people who don't get it, help out with the protests, call your local congressman, etc. Sitting on your ass doesn't make a change. Additionally, when the laws are changed, people will just have to deal. So, that's the most important thing not some random quote from Sarah Palin that no one will remember in a week. (Unless it goes viral and everyone drags her like the Duck Dynasty guy )

[P!nkism]

Oh I love the gays, i mean they do my make up, my hair, they design clothes for my undeserving rich ass, without whom i would look like this everyday

they decorate my houses, they will probably even plan my wedding - but i don't want them to get married themselves. I mean it's one thing getting pregnant at 16 coz i don't know what condoms are, but gays making a committment to love each other forever? NO, just no, that is wrong

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Neptune

Don't forget the baby was conceived whilst she was drunk on a school camping trip, after which she then implied the father had raped her

I forgot about that. What a ****y thing to do. So not only did she engage in pre-marital fornication, she LIED about it and could have caused someone to go to jail. Pathetic.

[Flare]

Originally posted by ontherocks

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR 8 YEARS? Why can people just give me right to marry whoever I want now? This is a human rights issue this not about groups of interests.

The law doesn't work like that
It's slow. Very slow.