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Discussion: Thoughts on the death penalty?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I just think that for offences like murder, the death penalty is necessary. Prison might not change them at all, so as long as they are deemed a threat to society in such a manner, they should be executed in my opinion.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by NLX
Ok...
You're acting as if people don't commit heinous crimes in prison.
Either way prison is still a waste.
You lock these people up but that doesn't stop them from causing physical harm to others.
I mean you have inmates who literally rape and torture other inmates.
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it solves the issue of keeping these heinous criminals out of society at large, for one.
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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Originally posted by Katy V.!
Make them rot in jail or suffer an awful death. Not here for "the most human way to die"
As long as the guilty is undeniable, of course.
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that is more disturbing
the prisoners might choose death penalty then
I agree with the existence of death penalty
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
In Australia it costs more to put someone in Jail and I don't want my taxes to go towards filthy scum in prison when it can go towards public goods such as schools, parks, hospitals, roads etc.
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It took me 5 seconds of googling to find out this is incorrect. Do some research.
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Even if all appeal proceedings were abolished, the capital system would still be more expensive than a sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. Long gone are the days of the 1960s when capital cases were subjected to only two or three appeals. Today, many avenues for numerous appeals are available to the condemned, making the process to execution more lengthy, thereby much more expensive.
The costs incurred for capital trials runs into the millions of dollars. In view of the 'life-and-death issue' at stake, state governments who wish to re-introduce capital punishment have an obligation to guarantee those prosecuted for capital cases, receive the best defence that the taxpayers' money can buy --- a top-notch team of the best-of-the-best lawyers, with wide latitude in hiring the best of top-notch experts and consultants. The process could be streamlined, of course, but at a very different cost ... increasing the possibility of convicting and executing an innocent person.
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http://www2b.abc.net.au/news/forum/n...opic11966.shtm
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Fact: ... If Australia was to reintroduce capital punishment, federal and
state taxes would need to be increased, additional hidden taxes
would need to be introduced including a costly permanent capital
punishment tax levy, essential community services such as health,
education, etc. would need to be cut drastically to pay for having the
luxury of legally killing people. Every Australian man, woman and child
would pay a high price for having the death penalty in use.
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http://acadp.com/
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Weird I'm doing this right now in my current issues class too. 
It should be abolished. It's expensive, is proven to not deter, gives killers an easy way out, is pointless because of how many people it kills in actuality (like 100 a year if not less), is offensive to many religions because it is seen as playing God, teaches people not to kill by killing, etc and so on so forth.
I literally can't think of one reason why the death penalty should still be legal.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by holyground
I just think that for offences like murder, the death penalty is necessary. Prison might not change them at all, so as long as they are deemed a threat to society in such a manner, they should be executed in my opinion.
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why are people ignoring the fact that if someone murders, they'll most likely be in jail for life?  it's literally not a question of trying to teach anyone a lesson by imprisoning them for murder, its to keep the public protected from further murders.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Weird I'm doing this right now in my current issues class too.
It should be abolished. It's expensive, is proven to not deter, gives killers an easy way out, is pointless because of how many people it kills in actuality (like 100 a year if not less), is offensive to many religions because it is seen as playing God, teaches people not to kill by killing, etc and so on so forth.
I literally can't think of one reason why the death penalty should still be legal. |
perfect post. thanks
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
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Would everyone here against the death penalty say that the hijackers that caused 9/11 don't deserve the death penalty? Or the man that shot and killed innocent people in the Batman Colorado massacre?
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Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Interesting to state that killing someone on death penalty is barbaric while making someone suffer isn't. 
But anywho, I don't care. Whichever is the least amount of burden on taxpayers--someone provide receipts.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
Posts: 15,562
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
it solves the issue of keeping these heinous criminals out of society at large, for one.
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Oh, so to keep society safer.
While people who are in a prison or county jail for maybe small things like a
D.U.I or shop lifting have to deal with physical harm....
So are you saying society's safety > inmate's safety ?
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Member Since: 2/23/2012
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i don't care what you have to say. death penalty will always exist. it saves tax payers money and leaves criminals off the streets.its funny cos i think i was executed or sentenced to death in my past life
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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I think it's an archaic, racist practice.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by jackcampbell1
depends on how the death penalty is taken out, i googled it.
seems we have to agree to disagree.
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I knew I wasn't wrong.
I've always read that's it's more to house, clothe, feed, and generally take care of than it is to execute.
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Originally posted by Great Username
I believe California and Colorado are in the US.
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2 states.
Where is the general statistic?
There is no way in hell it costs more to kill someone than it does to take care of them.
In California, it costs an average of 50K per year to imprison someone. Depending on the circumstances of said prisoners stay (+the amount of prisoners held) that amount can easily trump the 2.5M it costs to execute someone.
And like I said, that's only 1 state. The state I'm from, CT (actually where the Sandy Hook shooting took place) doesn't have a death penalty, but if we did, it wouldn't hinder our government financially as much as it would say, South Carolina, because we have a much higher per capita.
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
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Originally posted by Great Username
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Whatever you think sis
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Member Since: 1/5/2012
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
Would everyone here against the death penalty say that the hijackers that caused 9/11 don't deserve the death penalty? Or the man that shot and killed innocent people in the Batman Colorado massacre?
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Yes, because I, nor does anybody else, deserve to decide whether someone lives or dies. It doesn't matter what they did, that's on them. Imprison them for eternity if you will, but no one has the right to say you can't live.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
perfect post. thanks
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Also the chance of error, the fact that blacks and men in general are proven to be killed by death penalty more than whites and females, and some more i'll remember in a few seconds
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
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Originally posted by rawwritsmikey
Yes, because I, nor does anybody else, deserve to decide whether someone lives or dies. It doesn't matter what they did, that's on them. Imprison them for eternity if you will, but no one has the right to say you can't live.
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Well that's something we agree to disagree on
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Member Since: 11/29/2011
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
but why? why give them the freedom of death instead a life long sentence in jail? why not save exponentially on tax money while making a person actually suffer? it's just makes no sense to me.
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I should've rephrased, I'm for it in cases like multiple homicides, serial killings, and things of that nature. anyone who commits crimes such as those on multiple occasions doesn't deserve to be alive imo. even if someone gets sentenced to let's say 25 years for murder and gets out, and after their release they kill again, then I think they should be put to death
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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Did someone just compared abortion and death penalty? Abortion is not murder. In the firsts trimesters we don't speak of humans but fetus. It's growing inside of you, it's your body, you can do what you want with it.
Death penalty should only exist in severe cases like Osama Binladen. For me personally, I think anyone that has murdered people just need some physiological help.
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Member Since: 1/5/2012
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
I knew I wasn't wrong.
I've always read that's it's more to house, clothe, feed, and generally take care of than it is to execute.
2 states.
Where is the general statistic?
There is no way in hell it costs more to kill someone than it does to take care of them.
In California, it costs an average of 50K per year to imprison someone. Depending on the circumstances of said prisoners stay (+the amount of prisoners held) that amount can easily trump the 2.5M it costs to execute someone.
And like I said, that's only 1 state. The state I'm from, CT (actually where the Sandy Hook shooting took place) doesn't have a death penalty, but if we did, it wouldn't hinder our government financially as much as it would say, South Carolina, because we have a much higher per capita.
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It costs more because of the court expenses to convict them/prove they are definitely guilty. It's a long process.
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