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Discussion: The moment you die:
Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by Knix
Lie.
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Jesus will protect me for you. Bye demon.
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by z|| Mr. Loko ||z
Life is nothing without God
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Just because your isn't doesn't mean the others have to be the same  .
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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Originally posted by Mąni Lιn`Dεε
How would I know? But I don't think Jesus has to be tied to a religion for you to love him. Long story short, if you believe in Jesus & the higher power, there's no way he would punish you for that. The bad thing is denying his existence, & not appreciating the life he's given you to live. Think of God as your parent, he's going to be disappointed of course when you choose to live your life differently than what he wants, like any parent but he still will forever love you. If you deny yourself of that love, then I believe that's something you do to yourself. |
I do believe in a higher being. At the age of 23, I struggle to put a name on who that being may be, but I don't share the traditional Christian beliefs. I was raised to, but God tests your faith, right? Time and time again I was tested and I guess I failed because I lost it.
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Member Since: 10/3/2009
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Originally posted by Rock That Beat...
How do you know that?! You've experienced it before? You died and came back? 
NO ONE knows what happens when you die. |
The fact of even asking those questions contradicts your point, even knowing that it's sarcasm.
Since for very logical reasons no one knows the answer , then anybody can have their own point of view about life after death. And since human being nature is always to look for answers about anything concerning life and death (though many people decide not to look for doubts regarding death very often), speculating about life after death is something completely natural and understandable for him(human being). Believing on heaven and hell is one of them, believing that nothing happens after death is another one.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
That's sad.
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No, it's being REAL!
Look around you. Look outside at the earth and the trees and the air and the sun and everything else. How did they get there? What's keeping them there? It's God that's keeping them there, because think about it. If it's not God, then what is it? Who or what else could have created everything? Who or what could have created you? Who created you? Your parents. Okay, who created them? Their parents. You can keep tracing your ancestry back until there was just one human. Who created him? He evolved? No, the theory of evolution is a lie. The theory of evolution says that all of creation came from amino acids that were struck by lightning and that God had nothing to do with it. Yeah, where where did the amino acids come from? Where did the lightning come from? Another thing that's wrong with the theory of evolution is... evolution. Evolution over thousands of years is not scientifically correct. There are millions of fossils on record collected over thousands of years, yet none of them show any pattern of evolving at all. The fact is that you are too complex of an organism to have happened by accident. You consist of too many parts and organs, and tissues that are working together in near-perfect harmony too have been simply been thrown together by chance. God created you. You are not a product of evolution. You are not an accident. You are a beautiful creation of God Almighty. Now go repent Miguel.
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
So he is that mean and revengeful?  |
He is not mean. Jesus is the reason we are still alive. He sacrificed himself on a cross so God would not
flood the whole Earth because of all the sins we have made. We should be thankful for what he has done. And for anybody that think that is stupid and untrue, then they will go to hell.
For you non-believers, if Jesus and God are just mythical people, then why is it 2011 now? The years would still be unknown. Jesus was awaited to be born because he is God's son, so he changed everything for us!
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Member Since: 6/15/2010
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The origins of the universe don't make a sense without the existence of a higher power (not specifically God) so I don't understand what's the point of just dying and that's it.
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by BadBitchRihanna.
No, it's being REAL!
Look around you. Look outside at the earth and the trees and the air and the sun and everything else. How did they get there? What's keeping them there? It's God that's keeping them there, because think about it. If it's not God, then what is it? Who or what else could have created everything? Who or what could have created you? Who created you? Your parents. Okay, who created them? Their parents. You can keep tracing your ancestry back until there was just one human. Who created him? He evolved? No, the theory of evolution is a lie. The theory of evolution says that all of creation came from amino acids that were struck by lightning and that God had nothing to do with it. Yeah, where where did the amino acids come from? Where did the lightning come from? Another thing that's wrong with the theory of evolution is... evolution. Evolution over thousands of years is not scientifically correct. There are millions of fossils on record collected over thousands of years, yet none of them show any pattern of evolving at all. The fact is that you are too complex of an organism to have happened by accident. You consist of too many parts and organs, and tissues that are working together in near-perfect harmony too have been simply been thrown together by chance. God created you. You are not a product of evolution. You are not an accident. You are a beautiful creation of God Almighty. Now go repent Miguel.
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Science>>>>
Even if he did all that, so? It doesn't mean I have to worship him and say life is nothing without him, he created us good, we are free birds now, just like when we leave our parents house when we grow up. That's all kinda cute but doesn't tell me why would I pray to him, believe him etc
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
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Originally posted by Kay.Bee
I do believe in a higher being. At the age of 23, I struggle to put a name on who that being may be, but I don't share the traditional Christian beliefs. I was raised to, but God tests your faith, right? Time and time again I was tested and I guess I failed because I lost it.
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But why? What was that strong & capable of making you decide to give up on your faith?
The Devil is a lie ..
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by quiqui4eva
He is not mean. Jesus is the reason we are still alive. He sacrificed himself on a cross so God would not
flood the whole Earth because of all the sins we have made. We should be thankful for what he has done. And for anybody that think that is stupid and untrue, then they will go to hell.
For you non-believers, if Jesus and God are just mythical people, then why is it 2011 now? The years would still be unknown. Jesus was awaited to be born because he is God's son, so he changed everything for us!
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It's 2011 because people have been brainwashed for 2011 years already, grats.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by BadBitchRihanna.
No, it's being REAL!
Look around you. Look outside at the earth and the trees and the air and the sun and everything else. How did they get there? What's keeping them there? It's God that's keeping them there, because think about it. If it's not God, then what is it? Who or what else could have created everything? Who or what could have created you? Who created you? Your parents. Okay, who created them? Their parents. You can keep tracing your ancestry back until there was just one human. Who created him? He evolved? No, the theory of evolution is a lie. The theory of evolution says that all of creation came from amino acids that were struck by lightning and that God had nothing to do with it. Yeah, where where did the amino acids come from? Where did the lightning come from? Another thing that's wrong with the theory of evolution is... evolution. Evolution over thousands of years is not scientifically correct. There are millions of fossils on record collected over thousands of years, yet none of them show any pattern of evolving at all. The fact is that you are too complex of an organism to have happened by accident. You consist of too many parts and organs, and tissues that are working together in near-perfect harmony too have been simply been thrown together by chance. God created you. You are not a product of evolution. You are not an accident. You are a beautiful creation of God Almighty. Now go repent Miguel.
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In which year do you live? 
I can't believe how you can be that convinced of your religion and god...that whole post is ignorant and conservative..
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Really interesting read 
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1-1. The Power of the Mind
It is considered, that every human thought and emotion possesses a certain
amount of force, which can be characterized as “psychic energy”.
And the stronger this thought or emotion is, the greater it’s psychoenergetic
potential is.
In a nutshell, this energy allows the feeling to affect the
world around the person in general and other people in particular. In
other words, the products of one’s psychic activities are not limited to
their own inner self, but can have outside effects.
“…Poltergeists are among these. Negative emotions, like fear,
worry, or stress manifest Into external energy with physical effects”.
thus, inner psychic activity can have outside effects of physical nature
and can even create such phenomena as poltergeists.
negative emotions (like fear, worry, pain or hatred) experienced by teenage girls
have the highest psychoenergetic potential. Nevertheless, these strong manifestations can occur among various genders and types of persons.
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1-2. Accumulation.
The psychic energy of thoughts and feelings has the ability to
concentrate in a particular location, which is somehow connected to the
source of the energy. Usually, such locations are places where strong
feelings have been experienced, possibly more than once and if a place comes to “store” the thoughts and feelings of a several people, this place will eventually develop a “power” of it’s own.
The basic concept of thoughts and feelings having some sort of mystic
power and connection to places derives from traditional Japanese beliefs.
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1-3. The Inner (subconscious) world.
Some philosophers say that “Every man is a whole world”, emphasizing the depth and diversity of each person’s spiritual world. According to these philosophers, an inner world exists subconsciously in every single one of us. This world is made up of memories and concepts about the real world mixed with various thoughts, fantasies, feelings and the like. The inner world can very well reflect the fears, hopes and beliefs of its “maker”.
Understandably, some people (especially those with a strong imagination) have far bigger and drawn-out inner worlds, filled with the strangest of images. Others have a less developed inner world (which doesn’t mean it’s not there). If you’re having trouble understanding what such a world would like, try to imagine, that you’ve just found yourself inside a person’s subconscious. There we have a country of foggy memories, there - the state of delirious fantasies, inhabited by our greatest fears, there - a village of images stuck in the subconscious and together it’s all a whole world, which you can travel and enjoy the sights. And the “God” of such would be that very person. The composition and contents of the inner world are completely dependent on the personality and psychic condition of its “maker” (each person’s world is completely unique) - it could become a Paradise, but it has all the potential to become a Hell. It all depends on the persons system values, world view, desires etc.
It’s only reasonable to say that if separate thoughts and feelings have ”power” and “psychic energy”, an inner world must also must have such power, being able to affect the real world and other people. Accordingly, after the death of its owner, the inner world should be able to continue to exist as resident psychic energy in a particular place, being something like a parallel world on the border, where reality and unreality intersect (“After all, there is no wall between here and there. It lies on the borders where reality and unreality intersect. It is a place both close and distant”). The fact that such a world can actually constitute a different reality of sorts leads us adopt the term “Otherworld”.
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1-4. Laws and limitations of the inner world.
The subconscious world also bows to certain laws and is subjects to some limitations.
What defines them?
“This universe is different than ours — it has limits. And in the limits of that universe, he (the creator) rules as a king..
It is a world of extreme flux. Unexpected doors or walls, moving floors, odd creatures, a world only he can control…”
Only the “maker” of this world can control it and establish the laws, which govern the world’s existence. It is not a conscious action (just as the very creation of this world isn’t). The laws form around the preconceptions followed by the maker of the world (these preconceptions are manifested in the inner world as these laws).
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1-5. Comparison of the subconscious world and reality.
we can distinguish two separate types of worlds:
a) Reality, objective world.
The outer world, that exists independent of the person psychic state.
This world is cruel and crushes anyone who opposes it. It is possible that the cruelty of this world comes from the people that inhabit it - tainted by sin, incapable of compassion, caring only about their personal goals. “Why do they cling to this corrupt world?” But what happens if a person can’t bear to live in such a world?
b) Subconscious (subjective, inner) world.
What to do if a person can’t accept the cruel reality the way it is? If they can’t exist in it?
“Suffering is a fact of life. Either you learn to deal with that or you go under.” And that’s just it.
When reality brings nothing but suffering, when it surrounds the person with darkness, the mind struggles to create a new reality to exist in. One, where it may be possible to find happiness.
But what is this world? It is created by the subconscious and can make any wish come true. Or rather, this world IS the subconscious - a mixture of a person’s memories, desires, hopes, a reflection of the true nature of a person… It is like a perfect mirror, or a lake surface, reflecting the one looking in, combining the subtlety of the image with the depth of thought… But how does one get into that world? How does one climb into the rabbit hole? To fully transfer into the subconscious world, one must first sever all connections to reality. In part, this resembles autism - a condition when the afflicted has problems making outside contacts and
prefers to dwell in the world of their personal thoughts, Suicide may also be tied to this.
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1-6. Endless circuit. Theory of immortality.
It is obvious, that consciousness is inseparable from the body (in particular, the brain), but does the death of the brain mean death of consciousness, oblivion? That is a question many philosophers have tried to answer throughtout the ages. Of course, consciousness is connected with matter and cannot exist in total nothingness, but consciousness also has the ability to reflect matter in the subconsciousness (memory), creating its own world of reflected matter (in this case the consciousness is the mirror and subjective perceptions are flaws in the mirror’s surface). But if a consciousness somehow goes into this world and is reflected in it, this world become the only reality for it. What do we get then? The consciousness is locked in an eternal existence, an endless circuit. It become completely autonomous. The whole thing is
reminiscent of the Circle of Ourobouros. Its existence is continually fueled by the world it exists in (“nurtured by that nightmare”). In such a case, the death of the body means little - it just severs the last tie to reality, closing the way back. The consciousness will not even realize this death, continuing its life in the subconscious world.
“Anyone swallowed up by that world will live there for eternity, undying”.
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You gurlz, it's useless to argue religion. Usually people are dead-set on their opinion and it'll be impossible to change or even enlighten. There's no point to it, and I don't think either side has a very open mindset when getting into a religion-based debate. Believe what you wish, and respect others beliefs.
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Member Since: 10/26/2010
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Originally posted by Tantei
In which year do you live?
I can't believe how you can be that convinced of your religion and god...that whole post is ignorant and conservative.. |
The same thing could be said for any religion not having the same beliefs as another and for science denying the truth for those religions through their studys.
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Member Since: 7/19/2009
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Ohmahgawd this thread gon turn into a discussion about God.
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by WONDA
You gurlz, it's useless to argue religion. Usually people are dead-set on their opinion and it'll be impossible to change or even enlighten. There's no point to it, and I don't think either side has a very open mindset when getting into a religion-based debate. Believe what you wish, and respect others beliefs.
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I like to argue religion because I'm curious about it and I'm waiting since I was born for a viable opinion/argument on why we should worship and thank god, all I hear is he created and sacrificed himself for us. Sacrifice for us so that billions of people still live suffering without food and there are wars all around? Why would he sacrifice and create us for that?
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Rock That Beat...
Ohmahgawd this thread gon turn into a discussion about God.
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I just sit back and read what they got to say about him 
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
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Originally posted by BadBitchRihanna.
No, it's being REAL!
Look around you. Look outside at the earth and the trees and the air and the sun and everything else. How did they get there? What's keeping them there? It's God that's keeping them there, because think about it. If it's not God, then what is it? Who or what else could have created everything? Who or what could have created you? Who created you? Your parents. Okay, who created them? Their parents. You can keep tracing your ancestry back until there was just one human. Who created him? He evolved? No, the theory of evolution is a lie. The theory of evolution says that all of creation came from amino acids that were struck by lightning and that God had nothing to do with it. Yeah, where where did the amino acids come from? Where did the lightning come from? Another thing that's wrong with the theory of evolution is... evolution. Evolution over thousands of years is not scientifically correct. There are millions of fossils on record collected over thousands of years, yet none of them show any pattern of evolving at all. The fact is that you are too complex of an organism to have happened by accident. You consist of too many parts and organs, and tissues that are working together in near-perfect harmony too have been simply been thrown together by chance. God created you. You are not a product of evolution. You are not an accident. You are a beautiful creation of God Almighty. Now go repent Miguel.
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Exactly.
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Originally posted by quiqui4eva
He is not mean. Jesus is the reason we are still alive. He sacrificed himself on a cross so God would not
flood the whole Earth because of all the sins we have made. We should be thankful for what he has done. And for anybody that think that is stupid and untrue, then they will go to hell.
For you non-believers, if Jesus and God are just mythical people, then why is it 2011 now? The years would still be unknown. Jesus was awaited to be born because he is God's son, so he changed everything for us!
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THIS!
Everyday I look at my surroundings, just thinking to myself how amazing God is for creating this work of art called earth. Shame on humans for abusing it.
& its so hypocritical for people to not believe in him after all the work he has put into creating their lives, yet they don't expect to be punished for it?
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Originally posted by Kay.Bee
I refuse to believe that my father, the guy he molested me from the time I was 5 up until I was 13, has a better chance of getting into "Heaven" because he was a Christian and repented his many repetitive sins? Catch my drift?
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Of course not 
Christians can go to hell to. Not only do you have to believe in God, you have to follow his word. Molesting is definitely not in his word, and he is against anything like that. Unless he confesses and gives his life back to God, he will go to hell.
It is the same thing with you non believers. If you decide to get into God's word, then just say sorry for the mistakes you've made in the past, and he will forgive you and will let you enter heaven if you keep faith in him and his word. 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Knix
The same thing could be said for any religion not having the same beliefs as another and for science denying the truth for those religions through their studys. |
the whole theme is arguable and I think no one will change his opinion..but IMO science>>>religion..the positive thing for me about religion is that it gives people strength and hope 
Though I can't understand 'hardcore-believers' denying the evoultion...
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