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News: Europe holds its breath today as both Italy and Austria vote
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we really are going backwards... human era from 0 (and before) AD to 2016 Ad and now it goes backwards from 2016 AD to 0
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The main problem with Europe is that people live way too long tbh.
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Originally posted by ontherocks
And no, Germany won't be missing Britain as a member of the EU. We can place our products everywhere, not sure about Britain though
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USA, Commonwealth, China, possible EU trade deal, too. We'll be fine, thanks
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I think they'll be leaving. US and UK have established quite the momentous precedent
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Originally posted by Starkboy
At least we're not voting Trump as the new president
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nah, europe is cutting out the middleman and electing the alt-right itself
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
Unfortunately, the people who will actually live the consequences of the future aka the young will vote yes, but the "torniamo alle vecchie lire!!!1!" people will sabotage our chances
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Originally posted by Starkboy
At least we're not voting Trump as the new president
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Well a lot of people vote Salvini here, not that better
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Originally posted by Euan
France has had a sluggish economy for decades, the euro was nothing new to this. Don't blame Germany for France's poorly-thought out policies
And Germany didn't want to kick Greece out the Union? Where are you getting that from? A lot of their policies were tough but it was to ensure Greece stayed in the Union because they realized the dangerous precedent for the Union and for the euro if it were allowed to go.
I love France but you all need to get a goddamn reality check and realize your voice is a lot, lot less important that you think it is. You did not save the Union
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The euro is too strong for a lot of EU economies, France's included.
Germany, lead by Wolfgang Schauble did want to kick Greece out look it up, at least out of the monetary union which would have had tremendous consequences on Greek people, but hey anything for low loans rate right ? Germany was also against quantitative easing, basically anything that directly doesn't benefits itself, Germany is against. We did save the Union, because we actually want to be in an Union.
Economically we're the second force of the EU, politically and militarily (France has a bigger army and a bigger political influence, also because Germany has chosen to restrain for using such influence since WW2) we're the first
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tbh germany was the first one to break the stability pact in 2002 regarding the germany enthusiast that was shading other countries for not doing stuff they aren't supposed to do =)
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Originally posted by FBF
The euro is too strong for a lot of EU economies, France's included.
Germany, lead by Wolfgang Schauble did want to kick Greece out look it up, at least out of the monetary union which would have had tremendous consequences on Greek people, but hey anything for low loans rate right ? Germany was also against quantitative easing, basically anything that directly doesn't benefits itself, Germany is against. We did save the Union, because we actually want to be in an Union.
Economically we're the second force of the EU, politically and militarily (France has a bigger army and a bigger political influence, also because Germany has chosen to restrain for using such influence since WW2) we're the first
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No, the euro is too 'strong' for countries that don't have their finances in check, i.e. France, Italy, Spain, Greece.
Germany wants to be in a Union too, don't kid yourself, Merkel is there day in day out shuffling from capital to capital dealing with one issue or another
I hope you mean the eurozone, because the UK is the second-largest economy in the EU, despite having a smaller population than France, which is third. Politically, I think our clout is bigger too, due to our strong links with the Commonwealth and the United States. Yes, you do have a larger military though, but economically and politically you're subservient to Germany in the eurozone and the UK too in the EU as a whole. London and then Frankfurt are the Union's financial capitals, too
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
Literally only people aged 50 or older, or uneducated people who only vote because they dislike Renzi, will vote NO in Italy. And unfortunately that's far too many people. Back in 2010 with Monti everyone was calling for a constitutional reform, and now that we have it, the opposition of course did anything to make it sound unacceptable. Because, after all, in Italy the only purpose of the opposition is to say no to whatever the ruling party/coalition proposes, sensible or not. I hope we won't be stuck with that obsolete constitution for long because it really needs to change.
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Italy needs to change. I voted Yes as well.
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Originally posted by Euan
No, the euro is too 'strong' for countries that don't have their finances in check, i.e. France, Italy, Spain, Greece.
Germany wants to be in a Union too, don't kid yourself, Merkel is there day in day out shuffling from capital to capital dealing with one issue or another
I hope you mean the eurozone, because the UK is the second-largest economy in the EU, despite having a smaller population than France, which is third. Politically, I think our clout is bigger too, due to our strong links with the Commonwealth and the United States. Yes, you do have a larger military though, but economically and politically you're subservient to Germany in the eurozone and the UK too in the EU as a whole. London and then Frankfurt are the Union's financial capitals, too
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Look it's pretty simple, there's two ways in economy (to generalize of course). Either you do high added value stuff that would justify a high price, thus a strong money, either you don't and your goal is to sell as cheap as possible. A considerable part of Germany's industry is based a high added value. The car industry is the best example. Germany is selling Porsche, France is selling Renault, of course we need a weaker money than Germany
You guys are leaving the EU. Plus we just passed you : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7123761.html but we keep going back and forth, we're about equal economically. Politically UK and France are extremely close and it'd be debatable whose influence is bigger, I was more comparing with Germany, since you guys are leaving anyway.
Germany has the edge on economy and that's it. Merkel is not dealing with issues, she's making sure she's imposing what she wishes on others countries, if you can't see it I don't really know what to tell you tbh, the most recent and obvious example was the migrant crisis. While every other countries were trying to stabilize their borders, Merkel went out and basically said "COME TO GERMANY !!11!!" because once again cheap labor force in declining population's Germany was Germany's best interest, who cares about the countries who will have to actually deal with those migrants arriving ?
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We are really getting closer to a political and social catastrophe
2017 will not be cute
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Originally posted by Starkboy
At least we're not voting Trump as the new president
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We didn't
If the popular vote superseded the electoral college Hillary would have won
And Salvini isn't any better than Trump so
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
Literally only people aged 50 or older, or uneducated people who only vote because they dislike Renzi, will vote NO in Italy. And unfortunately that's far too many people. Back in 2010 with Monti everyone was calling for a constitutional reform, and now that we have it, the opposition of course did anything to make it sound unacceptable. Because, after all, in Italy the only purpose of the opposition is to say no to whatever the ruling party/coalition proposes, sensible or not. I hope we won't be stuck with that obsolete constitution for long because it really needs to change.
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So much truth in one post
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Take it to Talk That Adria Talk hunties. Imagine the fun there
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I hope the right wing wins in Austria and Italians reject the referendum.
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If these populist movements keep gaining traction in Europe, Merkel is done for
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Originally posted by rivers
If these populist movements keep gaining traction in Europe, Merkel is done for
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Germany is rich enough and her seat is safe for reelection. It'll/d hurt them more than it'd hurt her.
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Seems like the right-wing might have lost in Austria
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Far-right candidate Norbert Hofer has been defeated in Austria's presidential election, projections suggest.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38202669
Yeap
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