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Discussion: UK may join European Economic Area | EU Referendum
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Looks like they may stay, but hopefully Cameron addresses people's concerns. Open Borders are not popular
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
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That wasn't very convincing I'd show you counter receipts but I'm tired and sick of this campaign, so I guess we can agree to disagree.
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
The main one being the rise of nationalism in the wake of low or no economic growth, hmm.. Kinda deja vu ishh.
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We're doing comparatively well, so in your comparison the EU would be Hitler.
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
That wasn't very convincing I'd show you counter receipts but I'm tired and sick of this campaign, so I guess we can agree to disagree.
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I know. I didn't want to head over to google scholar for the real good stuff.
Aight, deal, my fingers are tired too.
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If we Remain I hope we get a new European flag, the current one is too football-like.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
We're doing comparatively well, so in your comparison the EU would be Hitler.
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*low economic growth for the working class
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
*low economic growth for the working class
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They're nowhere near the same situation.
In Germany they were less than 15 years from a war-mongering dictatorship, where the aristocracy had been left in place and had staged frequent revolutions and people were pissed off. They had Article 231 still in place, they'd been invaded by France 10 years before, their savings had been repeatedly wiped out, their economy had literally collapsed, unemployment was stratospheric.
If you genuinely think that we're on the verge of a Nazi situation, then that's your problem and you cannot be helped. I say this as a reluctant Remain supporter.
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This thread is disappointingly civil. Hm.
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Originally posted by FBF
This US driven tool to scare the USSR ? No I'm not
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NATO, World War II, Peacetime Military Alliance (1949)
"An armed attack against one or more [of its members] in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all"
The EU, Cold War, Economic and Political (1993)
"The EU has been firm in its commitment to protect its newer former Soviet Bloc members. Dismissing Ukraine, it has done far better by Poland, the Czech Republic and other Eastern European states - who cherish EU membership as a bulwark against Russian expansionism."
So which was you first referring to? We need to be IN the EU to keep peace post-WWII, not NATO? Look at the dates
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
They're nowhere near the same situation.
In Germany they were less than 15 years from a war-mongering dictatorship, where the aristocracy had been left in place and had staged frequent revolutions and people were pissed off. They had Article 231 still in place, they'd been invaded by France 10 years before, their savings had been repeatedly wiped out, their economy had literally collapsed, unemployment was stratospheric.
If you genuinely think that we're on the verge of a Nazi situation, then that's your problem and you cannot be helped. I say this as a reluctant Remain supporter.
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I'm going to need you to point out to me where I stated that the UK was on the verge of a Nazi situation. However, anyone can see the similarites in what that led to the nationalism that led to the rise of the Third Reich and **** like this, albeit on a much lower level than the let's exterminate mother****ers level favored by Hitler and co.
Just refugees instead of Jews.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
This thread is disappointingly civil. Hm.
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In a few hours it won't be.
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Originally posted by Nialler
In a few hours it won't be.
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ki you're right
is it 2 hours till the results start coming in?
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Ever looked into taking a sociopath test?
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Why? It's hilarious seeing them getting work out about things out of their hands. Thinking they have an opinion but they are only repeating someone else's point, being manipulated into thinking they have an opinion and investing time and energy into it..Being the tools of forces they don't even know about. This whole thing is a farce so why not enjoy it. I personally love these kind of moments. It always take me back to history classes, and make it easier to understand how all the atrocities happened with the consent of the public. Tragic and very entertaining.. since I do not care for the result but the process and reactions are gold.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
This thread is disappointingly civil. Hm.
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Europeans are more civilised. Confirmed
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Originally posted by RobynFKA
Why? It's hilarious seeing them getting work out about things out of their hands. Thinking they have an opinion but they are only repeating someone else's point, being manipulated into thinking they have an opinion and investing time and energy into it..Being the tools of forces they don't even know about. This whole thing is a farce so why not enjoy it. I personally love these kind of moments. It always take me back to history classes, and make it easier to understand how all the atrocities happened with the consent of the public. Tragic and very entertaining.. since I do not care for the result but the process and reactions are gold.
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Which is why I asked about the sociopath test.
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Did the guy on ITV just say there's been a positive response to the EU debate? What a lie.
High turnout, yes. Good point. But let's not act like this debate wasn't a ****ing MESS
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Originally posted by Artemisia
ki you're right
is it 2 hours till the results start coming in?
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It starts at about 12 but picks up at about 2-3am.
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
I'm going to need you to point out to me where I stated that the UK was on the verge of a Nazi situation. However, anyone can see the similarites in what that led to the nationalism that led to the rise of the Third Reich and **** like this, albeit on a much lower level than the let's exterminate mother****ers level favored by Hitler and co.
Just refugees instead of Jews.
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Saying that nationalism was the primary cause is hugely simplistic. It's a mixture of the weakness of the Weimar constitution, the social effects of World War One, the memories of the crises of 1923, the Wall Street Crash (which the 2008 crash is in no way comparable to), the remnants of the political structures of the Kaiser's aristocracy, and the overly harsh terms of the Treaty Of Versailles.
We had a recession a few years ago and a non-middle ground right-wing party got a single seat in the House Of Commons due to FPTP, it's not happening.
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Seems as though its a matter of margin now. Well done Remain. Right result.
Can the country stop hatting immigrants now? We've made our mind up on them.
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Originally posted by J a y
NATO, World War II, Peacetime Military Alliance (1949)
"An armed attack against one or more [of its members] in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all"
The EU, Cold War, Economic and Political (1993)
"The EU has been firm in its commitment to protect its newer former Soviet Bloc members. Dismissing Ukraine, it has done far better by Poland, the Czech Republic and other Eastern European states - who cherish EU membership as a bulwark against Russian expansionism."
So which was you first referring to? We need to be IN the EU to keep peace post-WWII, not NATO? Look at the dates
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I wasn't referring to the UK only. I was referring to peace in Europe. In 1949, Germany wasn't a part of NATO. They joined in 1955. What made sure that France or Germany wouldn't seek revenge against each other is the ECSC. I wasn't saying the UK pose a threat to european peace if outside of the EU as historically it's France and Germany who started ****, I was just saying that the original goal of the EU is so noble that leaving it shouldn't even be considered, it brought closer populations who despised each other. Frenchs are saying they feel the closest to the Germans, and vice versa, it's beautiful, when you look at other parts of the world there's resentment to this day, see China and Japan, you're going to tell me they're rival, but objectively France and Germany are too as their economical interest are not the same most of the time. There is 300K french people in London, it's great. We should change the EU rather than trying to leave it
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