1. Katy recreates scenes from Sheena EXACTLY as they were filmed - in roar. There's no doubt about it that roar is a re-creation of sheena.
2. The historical evidence supports EVERYTHING i said.
So, it makes no difference to me. You can cry about critics and tell me I'm wrong all you like. It just means you're ignoring real life evidence to which you can't produce to counter my argument.
I know, I know - a Gaga fan weighing in, get/drag/expose me etc, but let's be honest - Katy has never had a fleshed-out vision for any project. The performances always have these random ass themes (eg. "Dark Horse" with with the witch performances and the Egyptian B.S.) and a lot of her image is arguably jacked from the Katy Keene comics.
If that's so, why did you only talk about the music videos that have all those ideas credited to someone else?
This tbh. It's like she likes to just do different random themes for performances lately....and if she likes it, go for it, but I don't think its well thought out or anything. The Roar performances: Rocky themed, jungle themed, cheerleader themed......The Japanese Unconditionally performance, the Witch Dark Horse performance, the Egyptian Dark Horse, etc.
You have a funny idea of what constitutes artistic merit.
Referencing other work or other cultures does not automatically make some artistic, just like Gaga has long been criticized for.
Also, "taking a popular imagery, or a popular concept, intervening/changing it into something else" is not what pop art ever was; pop art was a statement on art itself, just like most of the other major movements of the twentieth century. Pop stars, both by definition and by virtue of the actual movement ending decades ago, do not create pop art.
You basically are confirming that her "artistry" entails copy/pasting on random pieces of history and culture
and almost nothing she does comes from a place of genuine origin. But okkkkkkk.
Well... None of this changes the fact that her lyrics are pretty terrible and her music is slightly overproduced and therefore lacks character and her videos look too glossy. Everything about her is calculated to appeal to a certain audience.
It's working though... even I bop to her songs, so I guess it's a good thing.
But no real artistic merit, no. Though I respect her for being so involved in her music even though she's part of a pretty big machine.
1. Katy recreates scenes from Sheena EXACTLY as they were filmed - in roar. There's no doubt about it that roar is a re-creation of sheena.
2. The historical evidence supports EVERYTHING i said.
So, it makes no difference to me. You can cry about critics and tell me I'm wrong all you like. It just means you're ignoring real life evidence to which you can't produce to counter my argument.
I feel like it it was a different artist though recreating scenes from a movie EXACTLY as they were filmed.....it would be seen as a lack of creativity to some of you people.
You basically are confirming that her "artistry" entails copy/pasting on random pieces of history and culture
and almost nothing she does comes from a place of genuine origin. But okkkkkkk.
If that's what you got from the OP you grossly misunderstood it.
If that's what you got from the OP you grossly misunderstood it.
I didn't misunderstand **** 90% of the text in the OP is reaching and/or is NOT Katy's idea
Even if she did come up with these "artistic concepts" they are not interesting enough to merit artistry
I feel like it it was a different artist though recreating scenes from a movie EXACTLY as they were filmed.....it would be seen as a lack of creativity to some of you people.
Well that depends.
As explained in the OP. The message is changed. Sheen ruled the animals with force. Katy rules them with confidence.
I would certainly see it as lack of creativity if the exact same artistic message was copy and pasted, but it isn't.
It merely references surface-level looks/concepts from stereotypes & common knowledge about Egypt. There is about as much 'mythology' in the DH video as there is greek mythology in the Venus lyrics. It's just a reference to something. Maybe you already knew that but the OP seems to think there's some sort of deep, allegorical irony and spirituality in there
Actually, a Professor of Egyptology at the University of Pennsylvania explained why the video is historically accurate and detailed in a Time article:
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The turquoise color seen in Perry’s make-up was used in Ancient Egypt; they often used colors inspired by nature, like the sky and water. Sealed tombs preserved the colors of their paintings, so historians can still tell what things would have looked like at the time.
Queens like Cleopatra really did have significant power — and, though it didn’t include the lightning-bolt-style magic that’s seen in the video, there was a belief in divine royalty.
The lyric about Aphrodite and Perry’s Greek-style dress have been called out by picky fans, but actually, they make perfect sense: Cleopatra wasn’t properly Egyptian; rather, she was descended from a Macedonian-Greek line, and her culture mixed Hellenic and Egyptian elements. In fact, Aphrodite is the analog to the Egyptian goddess Isis, who is represented by Perry’s winged ascent in the video.
The “walk like an Egyptian” pose does have a reference point in ancient paintings. The artists didn’t use foreshortening, so the iconic pose was a Cubist-like attempt to portray three-dimensional people by showing them from different angles. It was not, however, a dance.
The paintings on the wall behind Perry when she’s on the throne are clearly based on real tomb paintings.
The scene with Perry and the snakes suggests a reference to Cleopatra’s suicide via asps. At the time of her death, Cleopatra was dressed as Isis, which also loops back to Perry growing wings in the video.
The fan/monocle object Perry holds up shows the symbol of the Eye of Horus, a symbol of health and stability. (It has nothing to do with the Illuminati: “The many discussions of the Illuminati are nonsense,” says Ritner. Rather, the masonic imagery associated with the Illuminati is drawn from Egyptian imagery.)
The cat references and the scene with Boo the dog may reference Roman anti-Cleopatra propaganda, which implied that she made Marc Antony her lap dog.
Cullen and Perry even succeeded without trying: though Cullen says this wasn’t on purpose, Ritner sees a link between Perry getting a diamond grill to a myth that Cleopatra once dissolved a giant pearl in wine to demonstrate her wealth.
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Originally posted by Gazing Ball
I know, I know - a Gaga fan weighing in, get/drag/expose me etc, but let's be honest - Katy has never had a fleshed-out vision for any project. The performances always have these random ass themes (eg. "Dark Horse" with with the witch performances and the Egyptian B.S.) and a lot of her image is arguably jacked from the Katy Keene comics.
If that's so, why did you only talk about the music videos that have all those ideas credited to someone else?
Not true at all. Those themes weren't random. The witch performance was chosen because of the song's dark magic vibe (hence the "So you wanna play with magic?", "I'm capable of anything", and "This love will make you levitate" lyrics) and the Egyptian theme was chosen for the music video for a specific reason. According to the video's director:
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“[Perry] said that there’s actually a place in Egypt called Memphis, and she thought it was so interesting that Juicy J is from Memphis, Tenn.,” explains director Mathew Cullen. “She basically came to me and said, ‘I want to do something Egyptian and I want to combine it with Memphis hip-hop.’ That’s music to my ears — when an artist has a couple concepts that they want to mash up to create something fresh.”
So you're telling me that the most interesting part of Katy Perry as an artist is the fact that she "reinterprets the meaning" of virtually irrelevant cartoons over a cheaply made instrumental and lazily tossed together melody and cheesy lyrics?
The overall cheesiness (not in a bad way) of the video harks back to a lot of early 2000 pop/dance/techno videos. There were a couple of groups like Toy Box above in the early 2000s, such as Aqua, which is where Katy got her "Filmed in Junglescope" idea (Presented in Aquascope). The Jungle Girl/Tarzan theme has been done hundreds of times the same exact way so Katy did "copy and paste".
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
I feel like it it was a different artist though recreating scenes from a movie EXACTLY as they were filmed.....it would be seen as a lack of creativity to some of you people.
Of course it would, and the OP has criticized certain other popstars for that very reason. The whole reason this thread was made was to throw shade (obsessed) at a certain other popstar who they feel "didn't do POP ART right".