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TV Show: American Horror Story: Coven
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Originally posted by BudBud
I never relized how messy the show this season was till you all pointed it out, I knew this season was a bit messy with the constant deaths but I never thought about the pointless plot tie ins.
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Madison's death made a point that really touched me.
When they ask her what death was like Madison says something to the effect "There is nothing only cold and darkness"
Its pretty bold saying that there is no heaven or hell (unless she was purgatory). It actually made me understand why Fiona is so hell-bent on killing the supreme so she can stay alive. She knows that there is nothing on the other side; she has had such a powerful life she doesn't want it to end only to be nothing.
She acts like she cares for the coven to keep up appearances of course, but they tried to kill her so now she is going to kill them all, when before she planned only to kill the next supreme.
I just think this season has been more metaphysical than the other seasons where the situations were firmly grounded in reality.
As it should, the season is about witchcraft and magic. It's complicated and ambgiuous.
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Originally posted by Blatboy
I'd hardly say me stating this is my favorite show but keeps undoing development is exaggerating.
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Wasn't talking about you.
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Originally posted by Energy
I love Coven. My major gripe, and it's been bothering me for awhile is that 80% of the plot really was just there to waste time. That really bothers me now that we're down to 2 episodes left. Heres some examples (I have many more):
Madison's death+The neighbors
Luke and his mother was basically only used to help discover the girl's new powers and that witch hunters were after them. Those two ideas could have been discovered in much less time. And I wished they were discovered using actual horror witchy stuff. Madison's death really served no purpose at all. She came back, Fiona is still walking around not giving a ****, and neither is anyone else. It's almost as if everyone is sitting around waiting to die. Which is a waste of time since no one has sought justice and they can be brought right back to life. And when they did try to kill Fiona, she didn't fall for it and they literally let it go the next morning.
Nan's death
Why? She was just manifesting powers that could protect the coven, and actually growing as a character, then she'd murdered? And right after Papa told Fiona he wouldn't make the deal with her. Wtf. And did Marie just forget that she kidnapped someone's baby for her sacrafice? And he sudden rise to power, then letting them take her out so easily I just....
Character Motives
It literally makes no sense why Fiona wants to kill the next Supreme. She keeps ridiculing Cordelia for endangering the coven, when she herself is trying to kill everyone off. Does she not know if she kills the next Supreme she will be the same old woman with cancer and will just die a bit slower, with no coven to run. It is a motive that does nothing for the plot and it's now the center of it.
Marie wanting to kill the witches. She was a voodoo queen living in the same city as the HQ for the witches and she hired and already witch hunter to do a job he was already doing. When she had their location and the resouces to take them out. Hank was there for YEARS and she was across town waiting. That makes no sense.
Kyle and Zoe
This storyline is doing nothing for the plot. Without Kyle, Zoe would still be a basic bitch walking around clueless. With Kyle, she still is, it's just that Kyle is there now.
The lack of horror and witch stuff.
The intro is literally the most creepiness/horror I've experienced the entire season. I wanted human sacrifices, cursing spells, and more magic. It's entertaining, but missing a few elements I expected from a show of it's name and reputation.
With more episodes and a better plot, this could have been the best season hands down. I still love the shift from Asylum and the season overall. For everything it's missing, it has sort of made up for it with how generally entertaining it is. But with only 2 episodes left I need them to bring it.
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The neighbors still had a purpose in discovering Nan's powers and it was a good sub-plot which was entertaining to watch. When Luke's mother "bleached" him it was one of the typical AHS moments where you're disgusted at what people do. We were also introduced to the witch hunters via their deaths which means they used one sub-plot to reveal two things. Nothing wrong about that.
Madison's death was the first big "death" of the season and frankly, it was the one that needed to happen. It showed us how far was Fiona willing to go in order to stay the supreme and it delivered the line "The Coven doesn't need a new supreme, it needs a new rug" which was amazing and brilliant. I think that the point of these "deaths" is to try to make the viewers see how desperate everyone is to become the supreme and just how far selfish humans are willing to go in order to achieve what they want for themselves.
The sudden rise of Nan's powers WERE the reason she was killed in the first place, Nan became hostile in one episode and as soon as she started to manifest these greater powers, she got shut down. Which is something that was BOUND to happen seeing as you have Fiona in the Coven. I mean anyone who goes around the house strutting around and showing off is bound to be murdered by Fiona. Seeing as how they wanted to PERMANENTLY get rid of Nan, not just someone bringing her back to life they sold her soul to Papa Legba. As someone said, two birds with one stone.
What the hell and what kind of a show are you watching. Fiona does NOTHING for the coven. Prior to the season's start Fiona was absent from the coven for ages, she's was out ****ing guys and doing whatever she wanted to. Just at the season's start she came back to the coven SOLELY with the purpose to prolong her life by killing the next supreme. She doesn't care if she'll die a bit slower, she just doesn't want to die. If she was willing to sell her soul and hurt and maim her closest then she just wants to live. Doesn't care how long, or how old she will be.
Marie couldn't just straight up attack the witches without causing an all out war. She needed to work from the shadows and attack when she was prepared. That's why she hired Hank. If she attacked them with her voodoo, the witches would've recognized it and fired back. This way, she was going to use the witch hunters to eliminate the witches and still remain the "good guy". Furthermore, they only started to fight publicly when Fiona dug up LaLaurie (someone with whom Marie had a troubled past)
Kyle and Zoe are not finished yet, wait for the end of the season. I'm thinking that's something's planned for them. Otherwise Kyle was useless and just in the season so Evan could have a role.
And lastly, about the horror stuff. It was clearly meant to be a lighter season. When you look at it, it still had creepy, disgusting, horrifying moments AHS is known for. But after Asylum, it was a time for something that had humor in it and that was Coven. The only thing that's really missing are the jumpscares, because heaven knows that Coven is as much as gruesome as the rest of the seasons.
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Kyle and Zoe are not finished yet, wait for the end of the season. I'm thinking that's something's planned for them. Otherwise Kyle was useless and just in the season so Evan could have a role.
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Wait, I have a thought!
Remember how they said one of the seven wonders was dispel? What if for the task they have to reverse the spell that created frankenstein kyle? Bookmark me
Madison even said to Kyle "Putting you together was fun, but taking you apart will be even more fun."
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Madion's death is also the way the cure her from her sickness, put her back on the run of being the Supreme
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This thread is disastrous, thanks to people like Javan and company.
Each season had something unique and captivating to offer so far and Coven is no different from that line. It's pure camp (as a witch-centered show should be), while also having a good junk of gore and atmospheric moments. Just enjoy it for what it is and stop complaining if there might be plot holes or anything. It's not like this is a high generation sci-fi event that takes itself seriously. I LOVE and stan for this show for always pushing the line, go beyond the envelope and not being afraid to show the things it wants to show us, regardless if it fits into the context. There are a lot of symbolic themes in every season and this season deals a lot about death, something that scares me more than any other topic does and they're doing a fantastic job in exploring it. Yes, Asylum remains the best season so far, but that doesn't mean that Murder House and Coven do not equal perfection which they do. I have a love/hate relationship with Ryan Murphy's work (tho I'd say Glee was his only show that really jumped the shark after the first season), but when his genious comes out, his ideas and vision reek far more than that of any other television show or movie out there.
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Wait, I have a thought!
Remember how they said one of the seven wonders was dispel? What if for the task they have to reverse the spell that created frankenstein kyle? Bookmark me
Madison even said to Kyle "Putting you together was fun, but taking you apart will be even more fun."
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And it's also said in some preview of the next episodes that the new supreme needs to do a heartbreaking task. I believe that Zoe will be the supreme and she'll need to kill Kyle in order to prove that she's the supreme.
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Fiona and Marie are the most epic team ever it cant get more fierce
But i am also pretty disappointed with the season. This season was all about humour, drama and less horror . I am looking forward to Season 4 and I hope they come with something innovative like Asylum
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Asylum >>>>>>>>>> The Murder House >>> Coven
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I just watched the last episode again, JESUS this show is good so creepy and perfect ugh. I'm dying for Wednesday... the only way this could get any better is if/when Cordelia explodes on the entire Coven she needs to exact her revenge on Fiona and the rest of the assholes.
At this point, the show is in the perfect position for me. Marie is in a vulnerable state, Zoe and Kyle are free (for now) (Zoe always seemed to innocent for the Coven, not a bad thing), Cordelia is ready to expose Fiona and Madison, Madison is going to be ****ed when Misty returns, Queenie is back, Delphine is confident, and Myrtle is just being her amazing self. These last two episodes may bring this season above Murder House for me if they're done right.
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Originally posted by [Bask]
Madion's death is also the way the cure her from her sickness, put her back on the run of being the Supreme
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but i thought the supreme was born the supreme? it wouldn't make sense for them to let her be the supreme just because she was brought back to life?
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Originally posted by Haus
I just watched the last episode again, JESUS this show is good so creepy and perfect ugh.
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Have you seen asylum?
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Originally posted by cherrygodess
but i thought the supreme was born the supreme? it wouldn't make sense for them to let her be the supreme just because she was brought back to life?
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I was also wondering this, but I think that any witch that has the potential can rise as the supreme.
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So I watched the first 2 seasons during the last 5 days and god damnit this show is so addictive, I barely participated on real life the last days. I seriously didn't expect a new storyline with the second season cause I didn't watch any teaser or anything in advance but it doesn't matter, I got quickly into the second season which is much more intense and savage. Jessica Lange is such an awesome actress, she could literally act as anything and can still be convincing, each of her appearances are iconic. I'll probably start the third season by next week when I finished all my exams but my expectations are so high already, I hope it's worth my anticipation.
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Originally posted by Chunk
This thread is disastrous, thanks to people like Javan and company.
Each season had something unique and captivating to offer so far and Coven is no different from that line. It's pure camp (as a witch-centered show should be), while also having a good junk of gore and atmospheric moments. Just enjoy it for what it is and stop complaining if there might be plot holes or anything. It's not like this is a high generation sci-fi event that takes itself seriously. I LOVE and stan for this show for always pushing the line, go beyond the envelope and not being afraid to show the things it wants to show us, regardless if it fits into the context. There are a lot of symbolic themes in every season and this season deals a lot about death, something that scares me more than any other topic does and they're doing a fantastic job in exploring it. Yes, Asylum remains the best season so far, but that doesn't mean that Murder House and Coven do not equal perfection which they do. I have a love/hate relationship with Ryan Murphy's work (tho I'd say Glee was his only show that really jumped the shark after the first season), but when his genious comes out, his ideas and vision reek far more than that of any other television show or movie out there.
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It is and as i said is annoying. It takes away the fun that we used to have talking about what was happening in the show. Like there's nothing but bitches pointing out every little mistake instead of discussing what's going on with the show.
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So, back in the day before Fiona became the supreme....was Myrtle also trying to be the supreme??
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It might Cordelia and she'll have to kill Fiona??
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Originally posted by Superbitch
It is and as i said is annoying. It takes away the fun that we used to have talking about what was happening in the show. Like there's nothing but bitches pointing out every little mistake instead of discussing what's going on with the show.
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Exactly this, one thing is to say you dislike the season. Like we get it you don't like it, nobody cares enough for you to repeat it all the time. Either comment on what's going on in the show or don't, jeez.
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So, back in the day before Fiona became the supreme....was Myrtle also trying to be the supreme??
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Well yea, I suppose. Myrtle was that textbook kind of a witch I guess.She was hoping to become the new supreme and I guess Fiona just took over.
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