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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Mike Pence(R), whose poll numbers were obliterated after RFRA's international backlash, will likely be running for re-election as governor, therefore he is most likely not running in 2016 for a presidential bid X
Bobby Jindal(R), the far-right socially conservative Louisiana Governor currently embroiled in local controversy over Anti-LGBT Bill HB 707, is, as many expected, forming an exploratory committee for a 2016 run X
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Hilary is the only relevant candidate & is the most qualified candidate for the job so on those grounds, she should get it (~but maybe I'm oversimplifying it too much)
Some guy from New Jersey is borderline relevant because everyone makes fun of his weight
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YES @ my sis Megyn Kelly moderating. I was hoping she would. My favorite Republican pundit.
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Originally posted by Haburo
Hilary is the only relevant candidate & is the most qualified candidate for the job so on those grounds, she should get it (~but maybe I'm oversimplifying it too much)
Some guy from New Jersey is borderline relevant because everyone makes fun of his weight
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She is so relevant democrats can't name one accomplishment of hers. One ignorant guy on the panel thinks if Walker becomes president he will take away gay rights. That is not a power the president has or will ever have. MSNBC put this panel together it's not like it was rigged with morons on purpose. The truth is they are a true representation of what people know of Hillary. You can ask any random person on the street the same questions and they will most likely have no answers for you.
This is how uneducated our electorate is. It is very sad.
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Originally posted by Chucko
She is so relevant democrats can't name one accomplishment of hers. One ignorant guy on the panel thinks if Walker becomes president he will take away gay rights. That is not a power the president has or will ever have. MSNBC put this panel together it's not like it was rigged with morons on purpose. The truth is they are a true representation of what people know of Hillary. You can ask any random person on the street the same questions and they will most likely have no answers for you.
This is how uneducated our electorate is. It is very sad.
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Do you think random people on the street would be able to name a Marc Rubio accomplishment? A Jeb Bush accomplishment? What about Rand, or Carly? Do you think they would even know what these people's former titles were?
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There are many, many people who seem to think Hillary Clinton hasn’t accomplished anything. Apparently, being a First Lady, a Senator, as well as Secretary of State doesn’t count as accomplishments to her critics. But here is a very simple summary that encompasses Hillary Clinton and what she has accomplished throughout her life — Courtesy of a friend:
“First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College. Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School. Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic. Former civil litigation attorney. Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law. Former First Lady of Arkansas. Former First Lady of the United States, and the first FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree. First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate. Elected by the… State of New York to serve two terms in the United States Senate. Former US Secretary of State. GRAMMY Award Winner. Author. Self proclaimed Pantsuit Aficionado. Married to a man named Bill, who plays the saxophone.”
You don’t have to like Hillary Clinton or her ideas. I get it. She’s a Democrat, a progressive (in most eyes), and conservatives don’t like that. However, you cannot say she does not have any accomplishments. Here are just a few:
Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.
She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.
She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.
At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.
She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.
Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.
Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.
Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.
The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.
These are not all of her accomplishments. Her activism on behalf of women a children across the world is renowned. Her activism for raising the minimum wage and combating climate change is stellar. You do not have to support what she does or stands for. But do not say she doesn’t have any accomplishments. The conservatives who say this are the ones who are pushing for Ted Cruz – who brought on a $24 billion shut down. That, to them, is an accomplishment?
Yes, Hillary Clinton has accomplishments. You don’t have to like them, but they do, in fact, exist.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Do you think random people on the street would be able to name a Marc Rubio accomplishment? A Jeb Bush accomplishment? What about Rand, or Carly? Do you think they would even know what these people's former titles were?
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Not nationally no nor should they but locally people should know what Jeb and Macro have done regarding Florida. That is why we have primaries and debates so people can learn about them nationally.
They also have not been in the public eye for 20+ years and held the office Secretary of State. You are proving my point they (in the panel) and the general public are voting for a name or a brand if you will. If you can’t name one accomplishment of the person you are going to vote for why are you voting for that person?
Put aside accomplishments, what are her plans? What is she going to do as POTUS? Do you know? I don't know she isn't exactly talking but you will blindly vote for her anyway.
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bernie got this in the bag?
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Not nationally no nor should they but locally people should know what Jeb and Macro have done regarding Florida. That is why we have primaries and debates so people can learn about them nationally.
They also have not been in the public eye for 20+ years and held the office Secretary of State. You are proving my point they (in the panel) and the general public are voting for a name or a brand if you will. If you can’t name one accomplishment of the person you are going to vote for why are you voting for that person?
Put aside accomplishments, what are her plans? What is she going to do as POTUS? Do you know? I don't know she isn't exactly talking but you will blindly vote for her anyway.
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Hm, no, not blindly voting for anything I'm currently supporting Hillary based off of her years of public service, passion for women's rights, her stance on immigration and because she is more experienced and qualified than anyone running against her. Don't spout that robotic mess that every right-winger is using ("everyone likes her because she's a woman and because of her name!1!1!") to me. I'm also sure that when she does start to "talk" (to the media, not to the voters and american people like she's doing now), her plans will be FAR better than any of the clowns running on the right.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Hm, no, not blindly voting for anything I'm currently supporting Hillary based off of her years of public service, passion for women's rights, her stance on immigration and because she is more experienced and qualified than anyone running against her. Don't spout that robotic mess that every right-winger is using ("everyone likes her because she's a woman and because of her name!1!1!") to me. I'm also sure that when she does start to "talk" (to the media, not to the voters and american people like she's doing now), her plans will be FAR better than any of the clowns running on the right.
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First watch the documentary "Hillary: The Movie".
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They should let all 20 republicans debate. Doing the top 10 based on polls is giving an edge to the more known candidates.
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They should let all 20 republicans debate. Doing the top 10 based on polls is giving an edge to the more known candidates.
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Nobody in the debate would really get to say anything or elaborate on their thoughts if that happened.There would be too much going on and nobody would stand out.
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is nobody else here for bernie sanders?
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Just want to point something out here.
Giselle no disrespect, but you suck as an OP for this thread. Absolutely horrible.
It's one thing to have a bias towards a candidate (which you have every right to have, and express) and a completely other thing to have a bias towards a candidate and have it show blatantly through the updating of a thread that's supposed to be the "Official Election" thread.
Just sayin.
There are folks that are Democrats as well as Republicans and Independents (like my mother) and outsiders that are just genuinely interested (like me) and the way youre managing this has been pretty one sided and as a result, just... bad.
Take it as constructive criticism, report it, whatever. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thinking this.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Hm, no, not blindly voting for anything I'm currently supporting Hillary based off of her years of public service, passion for women's rights, her stance on immigration and because she is more experienced and qualified than anyone running against her. Don't spout that robotic mess that every right-winger is using ("everyone likes her because she's a woman and because of her name!1!1!") to me. I'm also sure that when she does start to "talk" (to the media, not to the voters and american people like she's doing now), her plans will be FAR better than any of the clowns running on the right.
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Women's issues? If we use the methodology used by the Census Bureau, the same methodology Hillary uses when she claims women are not paid equal wages, she paid the women on her senate staff 77 cents on the dollar compared to the men. Those issues? Before you try to claim this is not true, the key is the methodology used by the Census Bureau, you could use a different methodology to prove she paid equal wages but then it would collapse her unequal wages argument when applied to the rest of the women in the work force.
Her foundation has accepted 10's of millions in donations from foreign countries where women are treated poorly for example donations from Brunei where they stone women to death for adultery. Maybe those are the issues you are talking about? Maybe when a country that murders their women offers you millions of dollars you should say thanks but no thanks.
When she talks to the press she will deflect and blame. Bookmark it. There will be nothing but this is old news, made up stories, nothing to see here but nothing on policy, no substance.
She can't even answer whether she supports the TPP when asked she punted. What a joke. How can someone with so much experience not have a position on this?
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
Just want to point something out here.
Giselle no disrespect, but you suck as an OP for this thread. Absolutely horrible.
It's one thing to have a bias towards a candidate (which you have every right to have, and express) and a completely other thing to have a bias towards a candidate and have it show blatantly through the updating of a thread that's supposed to be the "Official Election" thread.
Just sayin.
There are folks that are Democrats as well as Republicans and Independents (like my mother) and outsiders that are just genuinely interested (like me) and the way youre managing this has been pretty one sided and as a result, just... bad.
Take it as constructive criticism, report it, whatever. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thinking this.
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How am I handling it bad? I'd like to accommodate everyone.
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What's funny is that everything the right uses against Hillary "name an accomplishment!" "she doesn't care about women as much as everyone thinks!" etc etc, can be applied to the GOP candidates ten times as much as they can be applied to Hillary. That's the part you seem to be missing.
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Giselle, I think you are a good OP! Keep those Con artists in check!
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