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No, I don't think Hilary Duff is awesome. In fact, I pretty much spelled that out for you in the full paragraph of my post that you so conveniently left out of your quote.
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Originally posted by A Muse
Gaga has been establishing herself as a songwriter and musician since before "The Fame"... Hell, even before the whole Lady Gaga persona. Hilary Duff just miraculously went from manufactured Disney pop star and actress to, and I use this term loosely, "song writer". There is no comparison. It's obvious that Gaga has a deep-rooted musical passion and background, whereas Hilary Duff's music career was just a vanity project & a cash-in on her popularity by her record label. There is no comparison.
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Point of the matter is that IDK why you brag about songwriting credits when GaGa isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically. I could understand if her songs were deep or meaningful at times like Madonna, but her music is mindless pop that anyone could write. Britney's been there done that (she co-wrote over half the songs on 'In The Zone' and 'Britney'). Actors don't write their own scripts. Painters don't make their own paper and paint brushes. So does that make them any less awesome or talented? I think not. It's all about adding your personality and making it special vocally that counts, which both GaGa and Britney do consistently. There's no need for you to throw shade around for something that really doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Point of the matter is that IDK why you brag about songwriting credits when GaGa isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically. I could understand if her songs were deep or meaningful at times like Madonna, but her music is mindless pop that anyone could write. Britney's been there done that (she co-wrote over half the songs on 'In The Zone' and 'Britney'). Actors don't write their own scripts. Painters don't make their own paper and paint brushes. So does that make them any less awesome or talented? I think not. It's all about adding your personality and making it special vocally that counts, which both GaGa and Britney do consistently. There's no need for you to throw shade around for something that really doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Painters don't make their own paper and paint brushes. So does that make them any less awesome or talented? I think not. It's all about adding your personality
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Good call. I personally think the song is an awesome pop song, which she has stated over and over again, what she is all about. It does put me off in interviews when she says that she writes all her songs, not co-writes. However, I don't recall any recent hit pop artist coming out, who can travel around to radio shows with just her tea and a piano and entertain everyone. Most people these days needs someone else to back them up. That, I very much respect her for. If she did, as someone suggested, put out an acoustic album with just her and her piano, people would buy it because we want to know what she has to say.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Point of the matter is that IDK why you brag about songwriting credits when GaGa isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically. I could understand if her songs were deep or meaningful at times like Madonna, but her music is mindless pop that anyone could write.
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People were probably saying the same thing about Madonna when she first came out. GaGa is relatively new to the the mainstream scene, so she still has a lot to experience, learn, and express. This woman is just getting started. Give her time, and she will come with it.
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Member Since: 8/6/2003
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Really? How about comparing her to Hilary Duff?  |
No matter what you *think* Duff is, she did co-wrote pretty much her whole 3rd album. If you say co-writing all the songs in an album automatically means you're artistically more relevant than someone else, then, well, you have to give it up to Duff as well. Otherwise you're just an hypocritical Britney hater.
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Translation: "Let's ignore everything that's said in this topic that I can't think of a snarky retort for."
starstruck52's post from about 2 pages ago was the one I was referring to. As for you, you don't have to explicitly state everything. Sometimes a subtle implication can be plenty revealing:
Don't even bother denying that you had intentions of trying to discredit Gaga's artistry in this thread. The proof is all over the last few pages. All of your hysteria and irrelevant personal attacks speak for themselves.
By the way, I'd like to ask how Britney being less involved with her music than Gaga is nothing but personal opinion? If writing credits are apparently enough to come to a conclusion by... Then well, I think that speaks for itself.  |
Although I'm still waiting for that post of strastruck52 doing what you did, I will repeat: you're reading too much into it - and you don't even know me. I said what I said, that NOBODY can assure GaGa came up with a specific part of the lyrics of a song she co-wrote with someone else. That's why I said you're either dumb or in need of some school treatment, cause my post is very clear. :-/ You already pretty much admitted you're speaking based on "not explicity", "intentions" and "subtle" assumptions of yours, so stop making a fool of yourself. 
Oh, and once again, it is personal when *you* think because someone has writing credits it means that person is more "artistic" than someone who hasn't done the same. It's interesting that you're now trying to put words in my mouth to save your own point though. 
As for Britney... She has written and co-written several tracks since she began her career. Lyrics credit and publish sites are out there for you to check, if you want to. She just doesn't feel the desperate need to use the songs she has writing credits in, she chooses what's best, she chooses the tune that's gonna reflect her idea for her albums best. It only means she isn't egocentric, not that she isn't involved with her work. Now you can reply me for the 2467850th time with another "I-can't-give-up-I-have-to-say-the-Britney-fan-is-crap-like-her" post or you can also read startruck52's post and sit down:
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Point of the matter is that IDK why you brag about songwriting credits when GaGa isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically. I could understand if her songs were deep or meaningful at times like Madonna, but her music is mindless pop that anyone could write. Britney's been there done that (she co-wrote over half the songs on 'In The Zone' and 'Britney'). Actors don't write their own scripts. Painters don't make their own paper and paint brushes. So does that make them any less awesome or talented? I think not. It's all about adding your personality and making it special vocally that counts, which both GaGa and Britney do consistently. There's no need for you to throw shade around for something that really doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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I know at this point you probably think Elvis Presley was also less of an "artist" than Lady GaGa, but I guess it was worth a try, huh? 
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Member Since: 7/12/2009
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GaGa almost wrote all her songs herself, for years and she wrote for others..
So, best songwriter is Lady GaGa Lets just get over that one.
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GaGa almost wrote all her songs herself, for years and she wrote for others..
So, best songwriter is Lady GaGa Lets just get over that one. |
Just because someone writes MORE doesn't mean they're BETTER. How many times do we need to say this?
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This is ATRL, quantity is a stan's best friend. As long as they have that, all logic flies out the window.
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Member Since: 9/28/2009
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This thread is embarassing now.
To starstruck and others: GaGa has said she writes all her songs, not cowrites. There are credits on her songs for PRODUCTION. And the artist analogy doesn't make any sense. Musicians don't make their own instruments or build microphones. In art, the analogy is an artist who drafts the design of a painting AND paints it as well. which is what all artists do unless they are paid to paint a specific thing as dictated by the buyer.
An artist who can do both of those things well is better than an artist who can only paint but can't design. They're more useful. So that claim isn't helping your argument.
Also, yes, I would say GaGa is more musical than most pop artists. She plays the piano very beautifully, in addition to her powerful voice.
But I digress, this isn't the "Does Lady GaGa really write her own songs and is she talanted?" thread. So lets save that discussion for some other time.
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Member Since: 7/12/2009
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Just because someone writes MORE doesn't mean they're BETTER. How many times do we need to say this? |
More, nope. ALL of hers? Yes!
She's very into the production while Brit just gets things done by this and that guy.
^ agreed with (pound)100
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Member Since: 2/24/2009
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Originally posted by £100
This thread is embarassing now.
To starstruck and others: GaGa has said she writes all her songs, not cowrites. There are credits on her songs for PRODUCTION. And the artist analogy doesn't make any sense. Musicians don't make their own instruments or build microphones. In art, the analogy is an artist who drafts the design of a painting AND paints it as well. which is what all artists do unless they are paid to paint a specific thing as dictated by the buyer.
An artist who can do both of those things well is better than an artist who can only paint but can't design. They're more useful. So that claim isn't helping your argument.
Also, yes, I would say GaGa is more musical than most pop artists. She plays the piano very beautifully, in addition to her powerful voice.
But I digress, this isn't the "Does Lady GaGa really write her own songs and is she talanted?" thread. So lets save that discussion for some other time. |
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Originally posted by £100
This thread is embarassing now.
To starstruck and others: GaGa has said she writes all her songs, not cowrites. There are credits on her songs for PRODUCTION. And the artist analogy doesn't make any sense. Musicians don't make their own instruments or build microphones. In art, the analogy is an artist who drafts the design of a painting AND paints it as well. which is what all artists do unless they are paid to paint a specific thing as dictated by the buyer.
An artist who can do both of those things well is better than an artist who can only paint but can't design. They're more useful. So that claim isn't helping your argument.
Also, yes, I would say GaGa is more musical than most pop artists. She plays the piano very beautifully, in addition to her powerful voice.
But I digress, this isn't the "Does Lady GaGa really write her own songs and is she talanted?" thread. So lets save that discussion for some other time. |
My God, yeah, let's save this discussion for... NEVER. How about that? Because yes, it is indeed embarrassing now. 
I would like to ask you just one more tiny thing though: do you have "The Fame"? The physical album, I mean. Cause the album booklet has all credits for each song, and at least in the one I own, there are writing credits and production credits, and they are separated. Check that, please, and then let's keep talking via our walls. I guess it's time we get back to "Bad Romance" and "Bad Romance" ONLY on this thread.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Point of the matter is that IDK why you brag about songwriting credits when GaGa isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically. I could understand if her songs were deep or meaningful at times like Madonna, but her music is mindless pop that anyone could write. Britney's been there done that (she co-wrote over half the songs on 'In The Zone' and 'Britney'). Actors don't write their own scripts. Painters don't make their own paper and paint brushes. So does that make them any less awesome or talented? I think not. It's all about adding your personality and making it special vocally that counts, which both GaGa and Britney do consistently. There's no need for you to throw shade around for something that really doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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Why wouldn't you brag about songwriting credits when essentially, you've not only SANG the song that went #1 across the world, but you ****ing WROTE it too!!
Plus what do you mean she isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically? The bitch uses Alfred Hitchcock references in "Bad Romance" ('I want your psycho, your vertigo stick, want you in my rear window, baby you're sick; Psycho, Vertigo, and Rear Window are all Hitchcock movies, hence the 1950s horror reference) and also managed to right a song that NOBODY else could sing in the music industry right now. If anybody else released this song it wouldn't make any sense, but it's sooooo GaGa, and that's what makes her writing incredible. She can write a song that fits exactly who she is as a person, performer, and artist. GaGa has creative control over EVERYTHING that she does from the clothes to the music to the performance, I'm sorry that Britney's dad has to take care of that and you're upset about it. I don't mean to think a shot at Britney, especially since I LOVE her, but I think these posts in this thread are just RIDICULOUS. Why WOULDN'T anyone give an artist extra credit for actually writing all of their #1 hits as well as singing them?????
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Good call. I personally think the song is an awesome pop song, which she has stated over and over again, what she is all about. It does put me off in interviews when she says that she writes all her songs, not co-writes. However, I don't recall any recent hit pop artist coming out, who can travel around to radio shows with just her tea and a piano and entertain everyone. Most people these days needs someone else to back them up. That, I very much respect her for. If she did, as someone suggested, put out an acoustic album with just her and her piano, people would buy it because we want to know what she has to say.
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Plus what do you mean she isn't doing anything special or epic lyrically? The bitch uses Alfred Hitchcock references in "Bad Romance" ('I want your psycho, your vertigo stick, want you in my rear window, baby you're sick; Psycho, Vertigo, and Rear Window are all Hitchcock movies, hence the 1950s horror reference) and also managed to right a song that NOBODY else could sing in the music industry right now.
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Lady GaGa doesn't strike me as a literate person and I think it really shows in her lyrics. I think people are more atracted to the ostentatiousness of her persona and her music but I think she uses those things to compensate for a lack of real insight. Okay, so she used the name of some Hitchcock movies in her lyrics but anybody looking at IMDB could do that, and did she even use them in a clever way? No, not really. She went for a novice rhyme that she already used in one of her previous hits. I'd expect someone who was allegedly "obsessed" with these kinds of movies to come up with a more competent song.
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Lady GaGa doesn't strike me as a literate person and I think it really shows in her lyrics. I think people are more atracted to the ostentatiousness of her persona and her music but I think she uses those things to compensate for a lack of real insight. Okay, so she used the name of some Hitchcock movies in her lyrics but anybody looking at IMDB could do that, and did she even use them in a clever way? No, not really. She went for a novice rhyme that she already used in one of her previous hits. I'd expect someone who was allegedly "obsessed" with these kinds of movies to come up with a more competent song.
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This is cracking me up. Can't believe people are making a big deal about it. Her lyrics are gonna speak to the people they're meant to speak to, not everyone is going to understand. At least she writes everything she does, unlike some other pop artists who are just manufactured and given tracks.
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Member Since: 4/12/2007
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This is cracking me up. Can't believe people are making a big deal about it. Her lyrics are gonna speak to the people they're meant to speak to, not everyone is going to understand.
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So who are these lyrics speaking to exactly? People who like weird things just for the sake of being weird? And I'm only making such a big deal over this because she made such a big deal over it in the build-up to this album.
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At least she writes everything she does, unlike some other pop artists who are just manufactured and given tracks.
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I have more respect for artists that know their limits. Restraint is a form of art, you know. I think GaGa lost touch with the art and has become more of a spectacle.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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So who are these lyrics speaking to exactly? People who like weird things just for the sake of being weird? And I'm only making such a big deal over this because she made such a big deal over it in the build-up to this album.
I have more respect for artists that know their limits. Restraint is a form of art, you know. I think GaGa lost touch with the art and has become more of a spectacle.
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It doesn't matter, I'm not gonna sit here and make you like a song or like the lyrics of a song because it's not as if I'm gonna change your mind. I forgot the song was about weird things for the sake of being weird, and not actually about a bad romance. The song's lyrics speak for itself, IMO.
And who are you anyway to say what is art and what's not? Everything you've said is your opinion, so its not as if you can discredit GaGa just because YOU don't like the lyrics or her work or form of art. Other people do. Other people get it, and we're allowed to.
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people stop entertaining these trolls
they know gaga is the ****, thats why their here in the first place
you dont see us gaga fans/stans spamming any other artist thread questioning their "talent?"......
because we know what the reality of the situation is.........
case closed
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Top Posters here: :-/
starstruck52 22
bobbymfw 17
And all of them are bashing GaGa and being really annoying =/ Why you so obsessed with her? 
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