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Discussion: is Gaga the most successful popstar of this generation?
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Originally posted by duybeeGAshantiGA
In overall I don't think ADELE has outdone GaGa tbh, in my opinion she needs a bit more time to prove if she will remain one of the biggest pop girls.
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21 has sold the same amount as Gagas total album sales, Adele has nothing else to prove, she destroyed Gaga with 1 era.
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Originally posted by Mike91
I don't think she has anything to prove though.
The fact she took a 2 year break before 21 came out, especially when the industry changed so much during that time, and still managed to come back and make as much noise as she did (even before 21 blew up) says alot about her IMO.
Her appeal is her music and as long as she puts out good music, she'll always have a successful career. Will she ever reach 21 status again? No, but noone will reach that level again tbh. Not with how low sales are.
Plus the problem with people who compare her to Norah Jones, etc is the fact that Adele is also a big single seller as well and that will help her in the long run.
She'll probably be on Eminem status tbh. Takes a few years off but as soon as he/she returns, they're right back on top.
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Do you realise that many people (mostly GP) don't even know there's 19 existed before 21  Many people I have met only knew her because of Rolling In the Deep and 21. A few have heard of Chasing Pavements but thats all. 21 can be considered ADELE's breakthru era to be a POPular star. If she wants to remain as an successful artist then yes she will, but it's a different story to be a POP star, let alone the biggest POP star on the planet. GaGa or (maybe Rihanna) is the current biggest pop star on the planet, not ADELE.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Definitely.
She is the current Queen of Pop. |
There's no such thing. Stop doing this, it's so cringe.
But I agree with the OP, she is one of the most successful mainstream musicians of recent years.
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Originally posted by duybeeGAshantiGA
Do you realise that many people (mostly GP) don't even know there's 19 existed before 21 Many people I have met only knew her because of Rolling In the Deep and 21. A few have heard of Chasing Pavements but thats all. 21 can be considered ADELE's breakthru era to be a POPular star. If she wants to remain as an successful artist then yes she will, but it's a different story to be a POP star, let alone the biggest POP star on the planet. GaGa or (maybe Rihanna) is the biggest pop star on the planet, not ADELE. |
Considering 19 was her debut album, I'm not surprised. I don't see what that has to do with anything though.
Even before 21 took off in the US, she sold 355,000 her first week. She had a fanbase before 21. She won Best New Artist and even had a launch on SNL. She was not an unknown artist. She didn't have much mainstream appeal at first but that's obviously changed since then.
Adele isn't just going to go anywhere, not in the age of social media. Adele is a very respected artist and the minute she announces a new album you know people are going to buy it. 21 is still in the top 10 on the WW iTunes charts and she's also in the top 10 of artists still with no promo, no new releases, nothing.
And the question is who is the most SUCCESSFUL pop star of this generation and it's Adele because she has the biggest sales. She's not the biggest pop star right now mostly because she's not released anything.
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Katy = Rihanna > Beyonce > Gaga
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Originally posted by Mike91
No, Adele is. Plain and simple. 21 alone outsold entire discographies. And let's not act like she's a one album wonder because 19 was successful too and 21 only capitalized on that.
And the only reason why her touring numbers aren't massive is because she doesn't like doing arenas. She could easily have $100 million + tours if she wanted to at this point (and probably will in the future as doing a ton of small gigs won't be good for her voice).
EDIT: And Adele is a popstar, she just approaches it differently but her music is still pop.
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19 was successful BECAUSE of 21. IE, my dad bought 21. He liked it, then bought 19.
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Originally posted by crazywildpop
19 was successful BECAUSE of 21. IE, my dad bought 21. He liked it, then bought 19.
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Seeing as how I've been following Adele since early 2009, I can guarantee 19 was successful before 21, especially since it was her debut album, and she was making lots of waves prior to that.
Adele didn't just blow up because of 21. 21 blew up not only because of word of mouth, but also because she had a fanbase prior to it as well.
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Originally posted by Swag
Katy = Rihanna > Beyonce > Gaga
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Originally posted by Swag
Katy = Rihanna > Beyonce > Gaga
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I love Katy but she's FAR from being the most successful popstar of this generation.
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Originally posted by Mike91
Considering 19 was her debut album, I'm not surprised. I don't see what that has to do with anything though.
Even before 21 took off in the US, she sold 355,000 her first week. She had a fanbase before 21. She won Best New Artist and even had a launch on SNL. She was not an unknown artist. She didn't have much mainstream appeal at first but that's obviously changed since then.
Adele isn't just going to go anywhere, not in the age of social media. Adele is a very respected artist and the minute she announces a new album you know people are going to buy it. 21 is still in the top 10 on the WW iTunes charts and she's also in the top 10 of artists still with no promo, no new releases, nothing.
And the question is who is the most SUCCESSFUL pop star of this generation and it's Adele because she has the biggest sales. She's not the biggest pop star right now mostly because she's not released anything.
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Why just the sales tho
GaGa dominates Social Media, Touring and Impact in the WW scale. And its not like GaGa doesnt sell, in overall she has overshadowed all the other pop girls sale-wise. and Why many lists consider GaGa the most talked and most powerful singer on the planet? And if you want to talk about money, both ADELE and GaGa did not do much from late 2012 until now but GaGa earned a lot more money than ADELE. Who cares if ADELE did not tour WW, nothing can tell she would be as successful as GaGa if she did.
Forbes
1. GaGa $80Mil
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7. ADELE $30Mil
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Good Girl Gone Bad was as successful as The Fame.
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Good Girl Gone Bad was not Rihanna's debut album tho
The Fame success is more impressive because Gaga was a new unknown artist
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
I agree with everything you said except for the first statement. Considering the fact that she only has 2 albums out, (even if they are incredibly successful) she still has a lot to prove. Yes, her '21' did extremely well but that is when she reached her peak (just like every other mainstream artist). She needs to prove her consistency in selling her music with her next albums. She needs to leave a mark on the pop scene that is huge enough to call her the Queen of pop. She needs to have have a tour that grosses more than Gaga's tour(s) (as she is the reigning Queen) to be declared as the Queen of Pop
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Well, no one is the queen of pop right now except Madonna. She will always hold that title.
The question is who is the most successful and while Gaga is definitely runner up, Adele has had more success.
And when it comes to not proving herself, 21 has pretty much solidified her tbh. She could never have another successful follow up but she'll always have 21. (Hell she has Skyfall too which I do think will go in history as one of the more remembered Bond themes) 21 is not a forgettable album. Alot of legendary artists are remembered for only one album and it's really only that one album they've ever needed.
Adele isn't out to be the queen of pop or to change the game, she's out to make a name for herself and she's done that. At this point it's up to her what she wants to do.
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Originally posted by Mike91
Seeing as how I've been following Adele since early 2009, I can guarantee 19 was successful before 21, especially since it was her debut album, and she was making lots of waves prior to that.
Adele didn't just blow up because of 21. 21 blew up not only because of word of mouth, but also because she had a fanbase prior to it as well.
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Yes she did, but her fanbase would have been quite small then. Honestly, besides her stans/fans, no one knew about Adele until they started hearing 'Rolling in the Deep' playing on the radio.
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I guess along with other people's
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Originally posted by tcweh
21 has sold the same amount as Gagas total album sales, Adele has nothing else to prove, she destroyed Gaga with 1 era.
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Why does this logic only apply to Gaga? How come Adele only "destroyed" Gaga? If she destroyed Gaga, then she destroyed every other popstar, no?
Anyways, Statistically speaking, yes? I mean, Rihanna has sold more records (she has released more singles, albums, and collabs so of course she has), but Gaga trumps her in every other category. I think OVERALL, Gaga is indeed the most successful.
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Yes she is. She's the biggest since Britney Spears.
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Originally posted by duybeeGAshantiGA
Why just the sales tho
GaGa dominates Social Media, Touring and Impact in the WW scale. Why many lists consider GaGa the most talked and most powerful singer on the planet? And if you want to talk about money, both ADELE and GaGa did not do much from late 2012 until now but GaGa earned a lot more money than ADELE. Who cares if ADELE did not tour WW, nothing can tell she would be as successful as GaGa if she did.
Forbes
1. GaGa $80Mil
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7. ADELE $30Mil |
Adele banked 30 million with NO endorsements, no new album, no tour, no perfumes, or anything. All of it was royalties off her music. Let's not act like that's unimpressive. Gaga had her perfume, tour, etc that put her that high.
Touring, again, doesn't really count against Adele because like I said, she could easily have very high grossing tours if she wanted to. There has been a very high demand for Adele tickets and if she actually played arenas (and actually toured) she'd be banking even more money. I do think she'll do arena tours with her next album though so she can play less shows and protect her voice.
EDIT: And she's had a ton of endorsement deals come her way too that she's turned down.
And social media is irrelevant. Lots of unsuccessful acts have decent social media numbers. Plus it's not like Adele doesn't have a massive amount of followers on twitter or facebook.
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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All round, yes.
Adele isn't really a popstar, she's just another neo-soul artist like Norah Jones. Her album "Come Away with Me" was the 21 of its time but then she kinda flopped off. Adele isn't really a 'personality' either, she's just there, and her tours were nowhere near as big as the monster ball or the born this way ball.
In all honesty, Gaga is the only one to have three successful consecutive eras with at least 2 big singles, sales that outshine her pop peers and more awards than older artists in only 4 years. She released an EP in 2009 that had the success of an album. She was on top of the world in 09/10/early11 - Bad Romance got 100 million views in 9 days in 2009, and its rare if a pop girl can do that today. Not a single other modern pop girl's touring compares in the slightest.
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Originally posted by Opacho
Why does this logic only apply to Gaga? How come Adele only "destroyed" Gaga? If she destroyed Gaga, then she destroyed every other popstar, no?
Anyways, Statistically speaking, yes? I mean, Rihanna has sold more records (she has released more singles, albums, and collabs so of course she has), but Gaga trumps her in every other category. I think OVERALL, Gaga is indeed the most successful.
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Read the thread Einstein, it's asking if Gaga is the most succesful, that's right, GAGA! And I have the simple facts.
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