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Discussion: Non-Hateful Christianity
Member Since: 1/17/2012
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Originally posted by evfanjake
This. While there are some Christians who are intolerant and choose to use the Bible as a weapon, others hold Jesus' teachings close to their own hearts and genuinely practice respect and love. It's just that the good ones aren't the attention-*****s that get headlines.
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But aren't they just "good people"? How do their actions have anything to do with their religion unless they are only being kind to serve their own religious agenda (I.e. getting to heaven, not sinning) which would be more selfish than anything. I am not religious and I spend everyday trying to be nice to all people. I do this because I feel like all people should be this way, no matter what religion. If I was religious, I wouldn't act any differently.
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Sorry, no. Religion in itself, (well most) are based off hateful and to-be-feared teachings.
And also, any gay who is christian/catholic/Mormon/muslim is extremely self-hating.
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Originally posted by mariska
The problem is that Christianity is not a tolerant religion. I understand that there are compassionate and respectful Christians, but they aren't really following the laws of the Bible. Christianity is riddled with discrepancies and hypocrisies. Jesus may love everybody, but God surely doesn't.  |
The bible even says that it's impossible to not sin. Regardless we're going to do it anyway. I think it's just the way certain people try and convict others that makes it seem much more intolerant than it truly should be. The bible should be taken seriously not literally. (if you're a believer that is)
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I wish religious discussion would be banned from ATRL already, I'm so sick of this ****. I'm a Christian and I'm an extremely tolerant person.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
But aren't they just "good people"? How do their actions have anything to do with their religion unless they are only being kind to serve their own religious agenda (I.e. getting to heaven, not sinning) which would be more selfish than anything. I am not religious and I spend everyday trying to be nice to all people. I do this because I feel like all people should be this way, no matter what religion. If I was religious, I wouldn't act any differently.
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Is it really fair to say what they are and what they aren't though? I mean even for a Christian to call someone a non-Christian just because of what they see is a bit of a mess too. What you may believe others may not and that goes both ways.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by eKidWalker
This is my thing. I believe in God and that is it. I don't believe in Christianity and I don't believe in the Bible. All I believe is God. I feel like you don't need a herd of people, a church, or a book to show your love for a higher being. But Christians tend to be full of ****. The same ones telling you that you're going to hell are the same ones who are probably divorced (that's a "sin" according to your religion too buddy!).
From my experience, Christians tend to be hypocrites and very judgmental. The most common sin that I hear of is that homosexuality is a sin. But so is a lot of other things in the bible but they don't speak of that. Why is it that we always hear about homosexuality being a sin but with the divorce rate so high in America we hear nothing about divorce being a sin? I feel like Christians (at least from my experience) are a joke. It's like seeing a group of kids doing something wrong and only calling out one kid out of that group for doing something wrong. Maybe I wouldn't view Christianity as a joke if they were more consistent and weren't blatantly bias.
I love God and that is enough. I don't need all that extra baggage that comes with it. You can keep your herd of people, your church, your bible. God is enough for me.
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If you believe in God but dont believe in religion or the bible, then why are you even mentioning sin. Sin shouldn't even exist if you don't believe in the context of religion... 
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
The bible even says that it's impossible to not sin. Regardless we're going to do it anyway. I think it's just the way certain people try and convict others that makes it seem much more intolerant than it truly should be. The bible should be taken seriously not literally. (if you're a believer that is)
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This is a legitimate question, not an attack or an insult:
How and why do you associate yourself with a religion that so vehemently opposes homosexuality (among other things), when you yourself are (presumedly) in support of said rights? Is it not hypocritical?
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
The bible even says that it's impossible to not sin. Regardless we're going to do it anyway. I think it's just the way certain people try and convict others that makes it seem much more intolerant than it truly should be. The bible should be taken seriously not literally. (if you're a believer that is)
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You completely disregarded my point. Christianity is simply an intolerant religion. It honestly has nothing to do with how people interpret it, or if the radicals give it a bad message.. no, Christianity is literally an awful, evil, terrible religion that has done nothing but cause violence and war. History -- the scriptures themselves -- do not lie. It condones slavery, murder, rape, genocide, pillaging, etc.. that is the definition of intolerant, is it not?
I don't think you're in the proper position to talk about how the religion should be interpreted, considering you just got done saying everybody has different beliefs.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
I wish religious discussion would be banned from ATRL already, I'm so sick of this ****. I'm a Christian and I'm an extremely tolerant person.
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The main concern is that you might be tolerant but you are apart of a religion whose holy documents contradict your views. I don't get how a person can only agree with some aspects of their religion and pretend as if the things they don't agree with don't exist. If you identify as Christian, you identify as everything associated with Christianity, including the hate and intolerance.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
The bible even says that it's impossible to not sin. Regardless we're going to do it anyway. I think it's just the way certain people try and convict others that makes it seem much more intolerant than it truly should be. The bible should be taken seriously not literally. (if you're a believer that is)
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This is what kills me about Christianity. So you're going to hell for sinning but it's impossible to not sin? If what you are saying is true, this only proves that a lot of Christians read what they want to read, hence why I can't take Christianity seriously.
SO if homosexuality is a sin and the bible says it's impossible to sin, why are there so many hateful Christians?
What kind of contradicting mess.... 
That's like me saying I'm black if and only if I'm not black. Makes no damn sense.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by (Cole)
This is a legitimate question, not an attack or an insult:
How and why do you associate yourself with a religion that so vehemently opposes homosexuality (among other things), when you yourself are (presumedly) in support of said rights? Is it not hypocritical?
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Is it hypocritical? As I've said before, I believe that the bible has been tampered with. My beliefs are my own. I'm not trying to shoot his/her question down I'm just simply asking a question in return. There are many as am I who were brought up into a religious family but that doesn't mean that I believe everything that they believe in.
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Originally posted by mariska
You completely disregarded my point. Christianity is simply an intolerant religion. It honestly has nothing to do with how people interpret it, or if the radicals give it a bad message.. no, Christianity is literally an awful, evil, terrible religion that has done nothing but cause violence and war. History -- the scriptures themselves -- do not lie. It condones slavery, murder, rape, genocide, pillaging, etc.. that is the definition of intolerant.
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Not to mention the whole concept of Christianity as blue-printed by the bible is to punish the blood of your ancestors. Which is probably the most disgusting message that could be spread, this message alone is enough to condone war.
Thank the all loving forgiving god.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by eKidWalker
This is what kills me about Christianity. So you're going to hell for sinning but it's impossible to not sin? If what you are saying is true, this only proves that a lot of Christians read what they want to read, hence why I can't take Christianity seriously.
SO if homosexuality is a sin and the bible says it's impossible to sin, why are there so many hateful Christians?
What kind of contradicting mess....
That's like me saying I'm black if and only if I'm not black. Makes no damn sense. |
I don't believe homosexuals go to hell though so I don't really know 
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
I wish religious discussion would be banned from ATRL already, I'm so sick of this ****. I'm a Christian and I'm an extremely tolerant person.
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Okay, lovely. I'm sure you're a very tolerant, respectful person.
The only thing is that Christianity is not a tolerant religion. We're not calling you intolerant, we're calling you a hypocrite.
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Originally posted by feuxtography
If you believe in God but dont believe in religion or the bible, then why are you even mentioning sin. Sin shouldn't even exist if you don't believe in the context of religion... |
I'm speaking in the language of Christians. Sins according to them.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
You completely disregarded my point. Christianity is simply an intolerant religion. It honestly has nothing to do with how people interpret it, or if the radicals give it a bad message.. no, Christianity is literally an awful, evil, terrible religion that has done nothing but cause violence and war. History -- the scriptures themselves -- do not lie. It condones slavery, murder, rape, genocide, pillaging, etc.. that is the definition of intolerant, is it not?
I don't think you're in the proper position to talk about how the religion should be interpreted, considering you just got done saying everybody has different beliefs. |
I didn't even tell you how it should be interpreted Stop taking it so seriously. If you don't believe then don't. But don't get all hot and bothered when people express their own beliefs either.
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
But aren't they just "good people"? How do their actions have anything to do with their religion unless they are only being kind to serve their own religious agenda (I.e. getting to heaven, not sinning) which would be more selfish than anything. I am not religious and I spend everyday trying to be nice to all people. I do this because I feel like all people should be this way, no matter what religion. If I was religious, I wouldn't act any differently.
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I believe you definitely have a point.  Good deeds are good deeds and should be judged on their own merits. However, what I was getting at is that many Christians are not hateful, intolerant people. Neither are they saints, though. We shouldn't place a pre-conceived label on any person, especially when you don't know them. That's why I think that labelling is bad - in any form, it encourages the sort of solely binary thinking that is used to justify oppression.
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Is it hypocritical? As I've said before, I believe that the bible has been tampered with. My beliefs are my own. I'm not trying to shoot his/her question down I'm just simply asking a question in return. There are many as am I who were brought up into a religious family but that doesn't mean that I believe everything that they believe in.
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So then it's not really Christianity any more, is it?
It's your own beliefs.
And it's okay to have your own beliefs. You don't have to lump yourself in with a religion. You can just be a "believer" or a " nonbeliever," if that's what you want to do.
Or you can continue identifying with Christianity, because it's honestly none of my business.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by eKidWalker
This is what kills me about Christianity. So you're going to hell for sinning but it's impossible to not sin? If what you are saying is true, this only proves that a lot of Christians read what they want to read, hence why I can't take Christianity seriously.
SO if homosexuality is a sin and the bible says it's impossible to sin, why are there so many hateful Christians?
What kind of contradicting mess....
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Well the concept is we're born with original sin (which god created) so god sent his son to earth to die for everyones sins (which is extremely redundant and unnecessary) so therefor we can be washed away of our sins if we accept him.
Yet there are still unforgivable sins....(like homosexuality.) Which makes no sense tbh. 
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by mariska
Okay, lovely. I'm sure you're a very tolerant, respectful person.
The only thing is that Christianity is not a tolerant religion. We're not calling you intolerant, we're calling you a hypocrite.
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How does that make her a hypocrite?
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