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Chart Listings: Billboard Hot 100 Singles (December 16-23, 2009)
Member Since: 9/28/2009
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Originally posted by starstruck52
It has 2 of the biggest artists of 2009 in it. Why are you acting so surprised?
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Why was everyone acting so surprised when 3 hit #1, as if you could have expected anything less? It's by one of the biggest artists of the decade.
People buy music because they sound good and have appeal. Names only go so far.
Unless of course you make a Facebook group and everybody downloads a song with terrible vocals that they will likely never listen to, to prove who knows what. That "they raged against the machine" whatever the f*** that's supposed to mean. Or, you win a reality TV show and the head of the show is lazy and puts out an easy buck cover single.
Besides that and maybe some other exceptions, names don't count for that much.
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Originally posted by £100
Names don't count for that much.
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The names Lady GaGa and Beyonce DO count for THAT much in this day and age.
And "3" wasn't that big of a surprise for me. I know Britney has that kind of power. I never underestimate her, it's the critics who do.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
The names Lady GaGa and Beyonce DO count for THAT much in this day and age.
And "3" wasn't that big of a surprise for me. I know Britney has that kind of power. I never underestimate her, it's the critics who do.
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If Telephone was bad, you can bet that it would be floating around in the bottom 25 of the top 100, or even just in the top 200. I said that names don't count for that much, and that's correct. They only count enough to help something get into the top 200-75, but from thereon, it's quality. People aren't idiotic sheep that throw a dollar 29 cents out the window just because they see the names Beyoncé and Lady GaGa. The average person could care less, instead purchasing based off what they enjoy listening to.
Radio exposure, however, helps the average person become aware of what is out there, because, really, there's just too much music in existence.
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Originally posted by £100
If Telephone was bad, you can bet that it would be floating around in the bottom 25 of the top 100, or even just in the top 200. I said that names don't count for that much, and that's correct. They only count enough to help something get into the top 200-75, but from thereon, it's quality. People aren't idiotic sheep that throw a dollar 29 cents out the window just because they see the names Beyoncé and Lady GaGa. The average person could care less, instead purchasing based off what they enjoy listening to.
Radio exposure, however, helps the average person become aware of what is out there, because, really, there's just too much music in existence.
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"Telephone" isn't a bad song, but if it were by some unknown artist it wouldn't make any waves whatsoever. Lady GaGa and Beyonce's name slapped onto it will get it to the #1 spot when a video is released. And yes, people are somewhat idiotic sheep when two big overexposed names like GaGa and Beyonce are on the same ticket. The average person hasn't NOT noticed how popular those two were this year. IDK about worldwide, but in America yeah. The fact that it's about something as simple as a TELEPHONE will also drive it into smashville. I can hear the ringtones already.
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"Video Phone" also features both Beyonce and Lady GaGa, but it's flopping because it's a bad song.
Of course their names bring attention to "Telephone", but it if it was a **** song it wouldn't be as successful. "Video Phone" just proves it.
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Originally posted by Kirill
"Video Phone" also features both Beyonce and Lady GaGa, but it's flopping because it's a bad song.
Of course their names bring attention to "Telephone", but it if it was a **** song it wouldn't be as successful. "Video Phone" just proves it.
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Nope. Videophone is an old song. It's over a year old and it's like the 10th single from I Am Sasha Fierce. GaGa's verse is phoned in and you can tell she wrote it in like 2 seconds. Nice try though.
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So what? Like you say, people don't care about the song if such big names as Lady GaGa and Beyonce are in it. Why is it flopping then?
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It's over a year old and it's Beyonce's 20th single, plus Lady GaGa's verse sucks in it.
"Telephone" is brand new, was actually written with some effort, and has a simple radio-friendly formula to it.
You can't compare the two songs.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
It's over a year old and it's Beyonce's 20th single, plus Lady GaGa's verse sucks in it.
"Telephone" is brand new, was actually written with some effort, and has a simple radio-friendly formula to it.
You can't compare the two songs.
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You say that people don't care about the song if it has big names in it, so why are talking about its quality?
What you say is basically: "Why 'Telephone' is smashing?" - "Because people don't care if the song is good or bad, it has big names in it" - "Then why is 'Video Phone' flopping?" - "Because it's a bad song".
I don't mean to sound rude, but what you say doesn't make sense to me.
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Originally posted by Kirill
You say that people don't care about the song if it has big names in it, so why are talking about its quality?
What you say is basically: "Why 'Telephone' is smashing?" - "Because people don't care if the song is good or bad, it has big names in it" - "Then why is 'Video Phone' flopping?" - "Because it's a bad song".
I don't mean to sound rude, but what you say doesn't make sense to me.
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Exactly. Telephone is good, which is why people buy it! Videophone proves what I was saying earlier - the names got it into the top 100 on iTunes, but the quality couldn't get it past there.
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Originally posted by Kirill
You say that people don't care about the song if it has big names in it, so why are talking about its quality?
What you say is basically: "Why 'Telephone' is smashing?" - "Because people don't care if the song is good or bad, it has big names in it" - "Then why is 'Video Phone' flopping?" - "Because it's a bad song".
I don't mean to sound rude, but what you say doesn't make sense to me.
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I never said the quality didn't count. I just said the name on the song DOES count for A LOT.
And I also never said Videophone was a bad song. I like it, but it's old as **** and Lady GaGa didn't add anything special to the song. She actually brought it down a few notches. It's not a surprise it's flopping because like I said it's Beyonce's 7th single from IASF.
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Videophone is uninspired and honestly kinda boring.
Telephone is snappy, simple and catchy.
At the end of the day it's the song that will get people -- not the names. The names help, but they won't make or break the song. Gaga was a nobody last year and her songs SMASHED. Ke$ha isn't a name but Tik Tok is smashing. The song is what matters most.
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"Video Phone" was already boring pre-GaGa.
"Radio" would have been a much better choice to stick a verse in.
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The names of an artist DOES give power to a song...
...for like a week or two. Then if it's good, it continues. By good, I mean it's liked by the general public. You don't necessarily have to think it's good, but a lot of other people do. If it's bad, then if crashes and burns.
Recent Examples:
"Telephone" ~ Beyonce & Lady GaGa smash first week sales, continues a steady rise
"Video Phone" ~ Grabs people's attention at first, then flops tremendously.
"Russian Roulette" & "She Wolf" ~ Great airplay in the first two weeks, then they both crash. (I love them both, though.)
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Originally posted by Flashing Lights
"Video Phone" was already boring pre-GaGa.
"Radio" would have been a much better choice to stick a verse in.
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Agreed. Radio not being a single is .
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Right -- the name HELPS, but at the end of the day, a name won't make or break a song. The song itself will.
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Originally posted by tcatron565
The names of an artist DOES give power to a song...
...for like a week or two. Then if it's good, it continues. By good, I mean it's liked by the general public. You don't necessarily have to think it's good, but a lot of other people do. If it's bad, then if crashes and burns.
Recent Examples:
"Telephone" ~ Beyonce & Lady GaGa smash first week sales, continues a steady rise
"Video Phone" ~ Grabs people's attention at first, then flops tremendously.
"Russian Roulette" & "She Wolf" ~ Great airplay in the first two weeks, then they both crash. (I love them both, though.)
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I agree,it helps them to get noticed yes but it does not guarantee that a song will be successful.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
I never said the quality didn't count. I just said the name on the song DOES count for A LOT.
And I also never said Videophone was a bad song. I like it, but it's old as **** and Lady GaGa didn't add anything special to the song. She actually brought it down a few notches. It's not a surprise it's flopping because like I said it's Beyonce's 7th single from IASF.
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Yeah, but that's where you wrong and you already proved yourself wrong. It doesn't count for "a lot." As I said, it provides an initial push (usually, though, because it has airplay, and in radio, names do help). There are countless examples that aren't the 7th single from an album, where the name didn't really do much at all.
One Love - David Guetta/Estelle
No Other One - Taio Cruz
I'm Not Your Toy - La Roux
Just some recent ones.
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Originally posted by tcatron565
The names of an artist DOES give power to a song...
...for like a week or two. Then if it's good, it continues. By good, I mean it's liked by the general public. You don't necessarily have to think it's good, but a lot of other people do. If it's bad, then if crashes and burns.
Recent Examples:
"Telephone" ~ Beyonce & Lady GaGa smash first week sales, continues a steady rise
"Video Phone" ~ Grabs people's attention at first, then flops tremendously.
"Russian Roulette" & "She Wolf" ~ Great airplay in the first two weeks, then they both crash. (I love them both, though.)
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Rihanna and Shakira aren't as big of stars as Beyonce and Lady GaGa are. And their singles were horrible on top of that.
"Videophone" was just boring and pointless, and it's a year old and it's just a remix.... and it has "Telephone" to go up against which is BRAND NEW and a better song. So it's nonsensical to compare the two. "Telephone" obviously wins hands down.
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^ Rihanna has achieved more then Lady GaGa
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