Does she have any performances where the dance IS the performance?
Execution in dance is poor. She, like all of the hive, doesn't understand that technicality is more important than showmanship. She doesn't present dance as an art form. She uses it to complement the overall performance. Poor technical skills, over accentuates expressive skills, over dances, and her routines often lack organization and/or storytelling. she's not a true dancer, and why dance isn't one of her talents.
Yes maybe not the type of dance you are looking for but to answer your question yes she has performance where dance IS the performance and one doesn't even need that much skill http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fuvhf
and here incorporating visuals and dance accordingly to the song
Notice as she comes out of the spin, she's crunched over to her left side? That's because her turn isn't centered, and once again, she almost loses her balance. That comes as a result of over dancing. She almost loses her balance because of poor foot placement. And her posture is badly off - crunched over, back isn't aligned, so consequently the turn is just horrid.
Presenting dance as an art form isn't subjective, it's a talent. And there's nothing to appraise because she has no real dance skills, technically speaking.
i guess Janet is not a real dancer since she lost her balance and almost fell in that video @2:47
Beyonce's choreography hasn't done anything to push the medium forward whatsoever. Rhythm Nation, on the other hand, completely changed the dance world and helped bring organized, full troupe choreography to the forefront. A style Beyoncé uses. And just because Single Ladies was a popular dance, doesn't make her a dancer. The Macarena was also popular, arguably even more popular. Does that make the choreographers of it dancers? The fact that Single Ladies was so easily imitated proves how simplistic her choreography is, ala Macarena.
Single ladies choregraphy impact >>> Rhythm nation choregraphy
If ever there was a thread that didn't need 13 pages, it's this one. If they said "of all time" I could see it being controversial (tho not far from the truth), but who in this time period is greater than her in terms of live performance? They're either dancers who can't sing (making them glorified backup dancers, which there are millions of), or a tiny handful of singers (WH, MC) who were better singers than her, but N/A in terms of dancing or production (which meant when they weren't in great vocal health and confident like Mariah at Tokyo or Rotterdam 96, the show was "just" good.
Beyonce's choreography hasn't done anything to push the medium forward whatsoever. Rhythm Nation, on the other hand, completely changed the dance world and helped bring organized, full troupe choreography to the forefront. A style Beyoncé uses. And just because Single Ladies was a popular dance, doesn't make her a dancer. The Macarena was also popular, arguably even more popular. Does that make the choreographers of it dancers? The fact that Single Ladies was so easily imitated proves how simplistic her choreography is, ala Macarena.
The lack of self-awareness is troubling. Rhythm Nation is easily convered en mass. Open YouTube? They even did it on the Lip Sync show. ffff It's not that hard to execute.
The reason SL was more popular was because it was a bigger cultural phenomenon. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't take you seriously when you try to compare it with the macarena. That's bias at its worst.
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Also @ Mr. Wonder, I think your concept of hip-hop dance and its roots is quite off. There's a freestyle aspect to it that's celebrated for individuality. You CAN overextend moves, exaggerate your alignment, and all these other "no-nos" if it serves the purpose of the choreography and looks well executed.
I never said Beyoncé wasn't a great performer. As Chimier pointed out, she combines multiple performance styles into one performance. But she isn't the first or only artist to do that. Like Beyoncé, Janet combines the singing, dancing and visual components into one performance. While Janet isn't as proficient in singing, she excels in every other area.
So because Beyoncé isn't the first to do it, she cannot be the best out of the last 25 years? How? Who is? And is their style of performing entirely unique?
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The only area Beyoncé is proficient in is singing. Her dancing, staging and storytelling are not on the level of Janet's. And again, you all are confusing showmanship with the technical aspects of performing. Beyoncé is a great showman, but she is not a dancer and her visual presentation and storytelling leaves much to be desired.
1. Beyoncé's dancing is better than Janet's singing
2. Singing is more necessary in performance than dancing, unless you're a Dallas Cowgirl or a So You Think You Can Dance contestant
3. Beyoncé isn't a showman with no storytelling? See: I Am ... Yours where she literally uses just her perofming skills to tell a story, or this year's VMAs where her story BROUGHT DOWN THE HOUSE.
4. Beyoncé doesn't use such elaborate sets and stuff as Janet/Britney/Madonna etc because she puts the focus on her ability not the entire spectacle. It's not a circus with her, it's a performance.
5. WHY ARE WE COMPARING HER TO JANET WHY DOES JANET MATTER HERE? JANET IS ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMERS TOO, BUT SHE DEBUTED IN THE 1980s. Come on.
13 freaking pages filled with comparisons, meltdowns and essays over a BB article about Beyonce being a great performer (WHICH IS DAMN TRUE).
Yall are a mess
No one mixes singing, dancing, charisma, energy, emotion, staging and entertainment value as much as her. There’s really no need to go into detail about any of those because we all know her abilities.
The lack of self-awareness is troubling. Rhythm Nation is easily convered en mass. Open YouTube? They even did it on the Lip Sync show. ffff It's not that hard to execute.
This makes as much sense as "Whitney's I Have Nothing isn't that hard to sing. It's covered all the time on TV talent shows".
Janet's routines are 50x more difficult than Beyonce's, she's a far greater dancer with more control of the floor and the entire physical environment. There's no comparison to be made.
nor have I seen Janet using African style. So in fact, I'm pretty sure Bey would outdance Madonna when it comes to these styles and she would probably be on the same level as Janet when it came to these styles.
Both of these are African-inspired.
As well as Throb. And no, Beyoncé couldn't do any of them if given to her.
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So if Janet is a 10/10 dancer, Bey would rank as 9/10,
No, she wouldn't. Not even close.
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You see where we are going with that? Bey is better when it comes to the overall delivery and package. No essay you bring up will change that.
She isn't better than Janet. Let's establish something. First off, being a great performer is not just about being a great dancer. You can just be a singer and still be a great performer. Case in Point: Whitney Houston. However, considering both Beyoncé and Janet encompasses different performance styles in their performance, you have to assess everything they do on stage when comparing. Both sing live. Beyoncé is better. Both dance. Janet is better. Both are visual storytellers. Janet is better.
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i guess Janet is not a real dancer since she lost her balance and almost fell in that video @2:47
This is a difficult routine, one Beyoncé could never do. Janet did it at 43.
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Single ladies choregraphy impact >>> Rhythm nation choregraphy
What impact has the Single Ladies choreography had on the dance community? Before you give some nonsense answer, just know that YouTube views is not impact on the dance world.
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The lack of self-awareness is troubling. Rhythm Nation is easily convered en mass. Open YouTube? They even did it on the Lip Sync show. ffff It's not that hard to execute.
Rhythm Nation was not well executed on Lip Sync Battle. Joseph Gordon-Levitt did fine for a non-dancer. But if you really think he executed that routine at the same proficient level as Janet, then you truly know nothing about dance. Just because some competition show did Rhythm Nation, doesn't mean they did it well or as well as Janet. American Idol has covered Whitney Houston songs, are those contestants' covers as good as Whitney?
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The reason SL was more popular was because it was a bigger cultural phenomenon. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't take you seriously when you try to compare it with the macarena. That's bias at its worst.
No, Single Ladies was mainly popular because it benefited from social media, something Rhythm Nation was not afforded in 1989. Single Ladies is also more easily replicated due to its simplicity, comparative to Rhythm Nation.
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1. Beyoncé's dancing is better than Janet's singing
And Janet dances better than Beyoncé sings.
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2. Singing is more necessary in performance than dancing, unless you're a Dallas Cowgirl or a So You Think You Can Dance contestant
Singing and dancing are equally important if you are a performer who sings and dances.
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3. Beyoncé isn't a showman with no storytelling? See: I Am ... Yours where she literally uses just her perofming skills to tell a story, or this year's VMAs where her story BROUGHT DOWN THE HOUSE.
She is a good showman, however her dancing has no storytelling and she needs to improve on visual storytelling.
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4. Beyoncé doesn't use such elaborate sets and stuff as Janet/Britney/Madonna etc because she puts the focus on her ability not the entire spectacle. It's not a circus with her, it's a performance.
With each tour, Beyonce's tours have gotten much more elaborate. In what world doesn't she use elaborate sets?
Don't be dense.
