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Discussion: Thoughts on Teen Pregnancy?
Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Everyone knows sex makes babies. If you don't take the precautions to protect yourself THAT'S YOUR FAULT, not society's for not giving you a sex ed class. Everyone is not going to get one. No should have to tell you to seek out knowledge. You can't get pregnant and then be like "no one told me how to use condoms". You need get off you lazy bottom and ask someone how to use one, be it a parent, school official, medical professional, or the internet.
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Interesting that in the end Switzerland is a country with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates because of the way they treat sexual education in their country. Yes an individual needs to know the smart choices but you can't expect kids to make these decisions on their own if their environment is not there to help them. Both must play a role to prevent teen pregnancy.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Haus
Which is their own fault if they can't even get past their own selfishness when deciding what's best for the baby, what does that say about raising the child down the road? If you get pregnant, you need to grow up and see the world for what it is. Any sane person will tell you that raising a child as a teen is a terrible idea, so there's no reason to keep it besides your own attachment to it. You need to see that what's best for it is giving it to people that will really be able to care for it or aborting it if you don't think you can go through adoption.
As for the second part, BlueTimberwolf said everything I feel:
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some people don't want to have an abortion because of religion (which isn't selfishness) but feel like maybe they should because of the circumstances
some people don't want to give their child up for adoption because of possible poor experiences with it (it's a flawed system, not a holy grail), and that's not selfishness at all; however, they may feel like they should because of the circumstances
and again, a teen that torn is likely just to keep the kid
as for the 2nd part ichinaru and i are in agreement, sex ed in classes > sex ed online
why do you think european countries have such a good handle on this stuff?
why is obama's new plan working?
because just expecting kids to do their own research wasn't
YES in an ideal world people would take agency over their own health that way, but for reasons of their own fault and not of their own fault, people DON'T do that, so that's not a good strategy or expectation of teens, especially
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Ok but what does have to view it from a straight girl have to do with what I know about teen pregnancy? I don't think its required to be a straight teen girl to understand the causes of teen pregnancy and there's that.
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omgggggggggggggggg what is so hard to understand
i am not saying you being gay means you don't understand and have knowledge of the causes of teen pregnancy, so STOP IT
i am saying you don't understand the sexual pressures of being a teenage straight cis female and how that relates to teen pregnancy, which you don't!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS ALL
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Interesting that in the end Switzerland is a country with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates because of the way they treat sexual education in their country. Yes an individual needs to know the smart choices but you can't expect kids to make these decisions on their own if their environment is not there to help them. Both must play a role to prevent teen pregnancy.
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I agree sex ed should be in schools. But I don't agree that kids should not be expected to make smart choices. Especially those 16+, it's not as if the are totally oblivious to the consequences of sex. What is the thought process: "I'm about to sleep with my boyfriend and I don't want to get pregnant. So.........I'm going to do it anyway, instead of waiting awhile to figure out how to prevent it from happening"?
Edit:: How is it not their own fault if they choose not to take agency over their own health??
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
I agree sex ed should be in schools. But I don't agree that kids should not be expected to make smart choices. Especially those 16+, it's not as if the are totally oblivious to the consequences of sex. What is the thought process: "I'm about to sleep with my boyfriend and I don't want to get pregnant. So.........I'm going to do it anyway, instead of waiting awhile to figure out how to prevent it from happening"?
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Agreed things must be done from both sides of the party. Just saying that sex education especially if done early like in other countries will give the kids that extra push to stay smart on sex
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Member Since: 3/12/2012
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I swear also Maury has episodes that have to relate to this. But it helps them to stop having children at a early age. I remember seeing a young couple named Cruz and Nicole having this mindset to have a child.. I mean...
Maury's team tried to help them but months later they didn't give a **** so Nicole ended up being pregnant.
Nicole was excited and **** but until 2 years later, she had a girl named Luna but was born deaf. So Cruz denied his own daughter and went on Maury and had a DNA test... after a few minutes the DNA proved that he was the biological father of that little girl. I mean that girl regretted it and admitted it on the show.
Learn before you make a decision.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
as for the 2nd part ichinaru and i are in agreement, sex ed in classes > sex ed online
why do you think european countries have such a good handle on this stuff?
why is obama's new plan working?
because just expecting kids to do their own research wasn't
YES in an ideal world people would take agency over their own health that way, but for reasons of their own fault and not of their own fault, people DON'T do that, so that's not a good strategy or expectation of teens, especially
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I didn't see the sex ed part of that quote at first but you'll see that I edited my post to acknowledge that. Sex ed is undoubtedly important and I'm glad that Obama is working to put it back into schools, but you should also take the time to do your own research if you're going to accept the risks of having sex. It takes less than 10 minutes on Google to read some statistics and learn the safest methods of contraception. Even in poor neighborhoods, almost every library these days offers computers for you to use so there's no reason you can't do your own research.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
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omgggggggggggggggg what is so hard to understand
i am not saying you being gay means you don't understand and have knowledge of the causes of teen pregnancy, so STOP IT
i am saying you don't understand the sexual pressures of being a teenage straight cis female and how that relates to teen pregnancy, which you don't!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS ALL
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Explain to me what these sexual pressures are that straight teenage boys and girls experience and how it related to teen pregnancy and I may stop
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by Haus
I didn't see the sex ed part of that quote at first but you'll see that I edited my post to acknowledge that. Sex ed is undoubtedly important and I'm glad that Obama is working to put it back into schools, but you should also take the time to do your own research if you're going to accept the risks of having sex. It takes less than 10 minutes on Google to read some statistics and learn the safest methods of contraception. Even in poor neighborhoods, almost every library these days offers computers for you to use so there's no reason you can't do your own research.
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Except people in poorer conditions do not think like this most likely. If poor people had this kind of train of thought than they would also try their best to get the best education possible but then you're in a sucky situation sometimes I think you just don't care anymore and just do things in the now and not for the future.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Explain to me what these sexual pressures are that straight teenage boys and girls experience and how it related to teen pregnancy and I may stop
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ok this is my last post to you you're irritating the f out of me because it's not that difficult to understand
there are major societal pressures that come from basically every direction for straight cis teens to have sex, and those pressures can cause people to have sex before they're ready and not to think through it all and take the necessary precautions
that can inspire pregnancy
i mean that explains why there's so many teens who've had kids and said they weren't ready, felt pressure from media, their partner, etc.
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Originally posted by Haus
I didn't see the sex ed part of that quote at first but you'll see that I edited my post to acknowledge that. Sex ed is undoubtedly important and I'm glad that Obama is working to put it back into schools, but you should also take the time to do your own research if you're going to accept the risks of having sex. It takes less than 10 minutes on Google to read some statistics and learn the safest methods of contraception. Even in poor neighborhoods, almost every library these days offers computers for you to use so there's no reason you can't do your own research.
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AGREED, but many libraries don't in the poorest areas or there are other things (jobs, even) that can stop that research
but nonetheless, i think you need both -- sex ed AND the research
sex ed is the first and more important step tho, for a variety of reasons
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
ok this is my last post to you you're irritating the f out of me because it's not that difficult to understand
there are major societal pressures that come from basically every direction for straight cis teens to have sex, and those pressures can cause people to have sex before they're ready and not to think through it all and take the necessary precautions
that can inspire pregnancy
i mean that explains why there's so many teens who've had kids and said they weren't ready, felt pressure from media, their partner, etc.
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I'm gay and I can understand that. Have a nice day .
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Except people in poorer conditions do not think like this most likely. If poor people had this kind of train of thought than they would also try their best to get the best education possible but then you're in a sucky situation sometimes I think you just don't care anymore and just do things in the now and not for the future.
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And you're probably right that's why sex ed is so important. As long as they use at least ONE contraceptive then that's better than nothing, but they can all fail. I wouldn't excuse middle and upper class people for not using 2 (minimum) or all 3 (preferred) contraceptives. For the poor people who just don't care, that's unfortunate but if you have unprotected sex then you're asking for it. The only person I'd feel sorry for is the child.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
AGREED, but many libraries don't in the poorest areas or there are other things (jobs, even) that can stop that research
but nonetheless, i think you need both -- sex ed AND the research
sex ed is the first and more important step tho, for a variety of reasons
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Yes, I agree.
Now that we're on fairly mutual grounds, I'm going to take my exit from this thread (at least for now) and watch Insidious 2 because I don't want to spend my whole night on ATRL
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
Posts: 19,066
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
ok this is my last post to you you're irritating the f out of me because it's not that difficult to understand
there are major societal pressures that come from basically every direction for straight cis teens to have sex, and those pressures can cause people to have sex before they're ready and not to think through it all and take the necessary precautions
that can inspire pregnancy
i mean that explains why there's so many teens who've had kids and said they weren't ready, felt pressure from media, their partner, etc.
AGREED, but many libraries don't in the poorest areas or there are other things (jobs, even) that can stop that research
but nonetheless, i think you need both -- sex ed AND the research
sex ed is the first and more important step tho, for a variety of reasons
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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one
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Guess so. Education is the thing that sets you up first so if you don't even get a good education then how can you make good decisions? I think that is what KoreanDream and I are saying at least haha
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
Damn y'all are so rude and judgmental.
Accidents happen. You don't know the whole story, and they already have to deal with these judgements on a daily basis and having to grow up so quick.
I'm sure most of y'all have / had sex as teenagers too.
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You shouldn't glorify it either. Having unsafe sex and getting pregnant should be seen as a bad thing for a number of reasons (non of which should be tied to religion or "purity"). For starters it shouldn't be assumed that the chances of getting pregnant are relatively low, which is SO not true, and you never if the person you have sex with doesn't have any diseases. Yes, accidents happen and judging people is wrong, but don't glorify and defend someone who, let's face it, was young and was either drunk or just thought that nothing would happen if they didn't use a condom.
Judging people is bad, but don't defend their stupidity. (For the record i apologize to any pregnant teens who might be in the situation because the condom broke or something. I'm talking in a sense that a good 98% of the time it was because some teens are young and stupid and think that nothing would possibly happen)
Anyway, personally I don't like judging people for anything so I stay impartial on issues like these. However, I'm not particularly comfortable with pregnant teens and teen mothers. And then, again, bringing up the argument that "it was an accident" or "it's not their fault". It's a weird place for me because, i'm well aware of the fact that the majority of teen pregnancies are teenagers who WERE being young and stupid and honestly are only looking for sympathy points from anyone who will listen, but the are still some pregnancies that were honest accidnets and the condom did break. So it's just aksjdjnd. To take a side, I only speak for the most common cases.
I don't think people should treat them differently, especially since it is 9 times out of 10 an accident, but I don't think people should glorify or defend them. /endrant
I don't want to discuss it further, that is my opinion and my stance.
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Member Since: 6/15/2012
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Originally posted by Midnight
Kids having kids is not cute.
I honestly hate when people (of any age) have babies knowing that they can't afford to take care of them.
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YES. Increasing the amount of people on welfare, WIC, and food stamps all because of their irresponsible decisions. Smh.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Smartypants
YES. Increasing the amount of people on welfare, WIC, and food stamps all because of their irresponsible decisions. Smh.
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Well damn
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
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Did you actually get some girl preggers though?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Goosey
Did you actually get some girl preggers though?
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It's a long story. Maybe I'll make a blog about it
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