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ATRL: Has Katy Perry's Success This Era Been Well Deserved?
Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Anthagio
Three consecutive years with one of the two highest-selling albums. Her popularity has gone nowhere. Gaga, unlike her contemporaries, can sell albums without massive singles and Gaga knows that.
The fact is, since Katy's fanbase isn't massive and/or dedicated, she will have to continue making the type of music she did with TD if she wants to keep up momentum. Her label is money and fame-hungry, so they will do everything in their power (payola, remixes, discounts) to keep her on top. But, you know, who cares? That's the name of the game.
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Yea and TFM was in the top 2 two years in a row. You think BTW is going to do it next year?
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by Anthagio
The fact is, since Katy's fanbase isn't massive and/or dedicated, she will have to continue making the type of music she did with TD if she wants to keep up momentum. Her label is money and fame-hungry, so they will do everything in their power (payola, remixes, discounts) to keep her on top. But, you know, who cares? That's the name of the game.
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Over 13 million followers on Twitter? Over 35 million followers on Facebook? Won countless awards against other popstars. No dedicated stanbase, please.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
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Sis I do not use the Spears
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
TEOG debuted at #3. If they discounted it and remixed it in the first week before the album was out, I think that would be seen as even more desperate than what Katy has done... Plus, at the time it wouldn't have made sense. Seeing how it started off so well digitally they probably thought it could have went there by itself. The following week it fell out of the top 10 (almost top 20). After that, it never made it back in the top 5 and competition was to tight when it was peaking on radio.
Unless it was a good remix, like TTWE. She couldn't have gotten a #1 with a ****** remix like Katy has been doing.
Y&I... come on... only the music video increased sales. The VMA performance made little difference.
Really? CG would have gone #1 with out Snoop Dogg. Almost everyone says the original ET is better. Last Friday Night went #1 pretty much everywhere. TOTGA, yea that was pathetic.
Plus, when MJ did it, Billboard only measured sales. If they still did that, LFN would have went #1 in June and not need a remix.
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I thought TEOG debuted at 9? Might be wrong, gotta double check l8r
You'd only think CG would hit number one w/o Snoop Dogg, you wouldn't KNOW. Besides, even if some people would prefer ET w/o Kanye, some people would still prefer the one with Kanye. Therefore the overall sales of ET were combined sales of the one without Kanye and the one with Kanye. LFN was number two to Party Rock Anthem, until they made the remix, and it finally shot to number one. Like TEOG, it just needed the little push to reach number one. I don't know if TEOG would've actually hit number one with a good remix, but that's what I wold've think happened.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Anthagio
Three consecutive years with one of the two highest-selling albums. Her popularity has gone nowhere. Gaga, unlike her contemporaries, can sell albums without massive singles and Gaga knows that.
The fact is, since Katy's fanbase isn't massive and/or dedicated, she will have to continue making the type of music she did with TD if she wants to keep up momentum. Her label is money and fame-hungry, so they will do everything in their power (payola, remixes, discounts) to keep her on top. But, you know, who cares? That's the name of the game.
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I didn't really mean her album, I meant her singles IN the album. BTW songs just aren't as good as TFM songs, imo. She herself a long with her songs changed a lot. Like I've said before, only TEOG and BTW (single) are the only songs that are as good TFM songs. The rest just aren't too "Gaga," y'know what I mean?
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
I didn't really mean her album, I meant her singles IN the album. BTW songs just aren't as good as TFM songs, imo. She herself a long with her songs changed a lot. Like I've said before, only TEOG and BTW (single) are the only songs that are as good TFM songs. The rest just aren't too "Gaga," y'know what I mean?
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I agree, but LOL at the fact that your NP is BTW.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Yea and TFM was in the top 2 two years in a row. You think BTW is going to do it next year?
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I love Gaga so much, but as much as I love her, I don't think she's going to make it next year. You know, unless she makes another album. All I can do is pray that BTW will go at least Top 2 next year.
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Member Since: 8/27/2011
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2/3 of it was well deserved. no shade.
and TEOG DID debut at number 3. i was very surprised, i remember.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I agree, but LOL at the fact that your NP is BTW.
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What? Born This Way is just such a good single
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Why has this entire thread turned into a Stan War?
That was not the question.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
I thought TEOG debuted at 9? Might be wrong, gotta double check l8r
You'd only think CG would hit number one w/o Snoop Dogg, you wouldn't KNOW. Besides, even if some people would prefer ET w/o Kanye, some people would still prefer the one with Kanye. Therefore the overall sales of ET were combined sales of the one without Kanye and the one with Kanye. LFN was number two to Party Rock Anthem, until they made the remix, and it finally shot to number one. Like TEOG, it just needed the little push to reach number one. I don't know if TEOG would've actually hit number one with a good remix, but that's what I wold've think happened.
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I know I have no way of "proving", but you have no proof either (other than LFN). Proof lies on the accuser not the denier. Also, are we really discrediting a song, because it had a featuring? I could easily say that Just Dance would have flopped without that one guy.
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Member Since: 4/2/2011
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Originally posted by Kats
Over 13 million followers on Twitter? Over 35 million followers on Facebook? Won countless awards against other popstars. No dedicated stanbase, please.
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lmaooooooooooo, none of those have anything to do with fanbase. those are mostly the general public. fanbase = large opening sales, large album sales, huge-grossing tours, etc. katy has none of those. Go look at any Internet poll that has Katy on it and she's never in the lead.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Yea and TFM was in the top 2 two years in a row. You think BTW is going to do it next year?
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TF had a re-release, thus why it charted two years in a row. BTW will sell around 2m in 2012.
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
Why has this entire thread turned into a Stan War?
That was not the question.
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Ramcoro likes to ask people for their opinions and then get mad when they don't agree.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Anthagio
TF had a re-release, thus why it charted two years in a row. BTW will sell around 2m in 2012.
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Even with a re-release it's unlikely it will ever go near TF's sales.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Anthagio
Ramcoro likes to ask people for their opinions and then get mad when they don't agree.
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Gurl, you realize this isn't my thread right?
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I know I have no way of "proving", but you have no proof either (other than LFN). Proof lies on the accuser not the denier. Also, are we really discrediting a song, because it had a featuring? I could easily say that Just Dance would have flopped without that one guy.
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Who knows? Maybe Just Dance wouldn't have hit number one without "the guy." I wouldn't say Just Dance would've flopped.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by Anthagio
lmaooooooooooo, none of those have anything to do with fanbase. those are mostly the general public. fanbase = large opening sales, large album sales, huge-grossing tours, etc. katy has none of those. Go look at any Internet poll that has Katy on it and she's never in the lead
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Katy had a commercially successful tour, 98% full and over a million attended. Let's talk about how she won several fan-voted awards like the VMA's, EMA's, and PCA's. She has a large fanbase, not massive, but it is large and dediicated. It is still growing.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Damn TEOG did debut at number 3! My bad at the false information. Still though even if it was on 6, I think it would've gotten to number one if its price dropped and if it had a remix.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
Damn TEOG did debut at number 3! My bad at the false information. Still though even if it was on 6, I think it would've gotten to number one if its price dropped and if it had a remix.
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Only if the remix was really good.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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I'm not going to lie, I'm quite impressed with Katy's accomplishments this year. I don't like her, I don't hate her. But I just don't think she's good enough to tie the great MJ record.
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It doesn't matter if you think she is good enough. All that matters is whether she can. If someone can break a record, then they deserve it. Because they did it.
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